Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Relic]

Andrew Perpetua's visually documented and geolocated losses for Russia and Ukraine, Tuesday, March 19th, 2024.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770335274934870340

 

[Relic]

Waste of taxmoney.

Could be more usefull for the millions of homeless-and unemployed German citizens, or the millions of African immigrants in German cities.

290,000 additional artillery shells equates to tens of thousands of young Russians that will never make it home to their families for Christmas. It's also hundreds, if not several thousand tanks, IFVs and artillery pieces from the Soviet stockpile that Russia will never be able to replace. Finally, it keeps Ukraine in the fight and forces Russia to spend billions more dollars on their pointless war, further exhausting their foreign currency reserves, increasing inflation inside Russia and further damaging the purchasing power of the average Russian.

$540 million usd is absolute peanuts for a country like Germany, with a GDP north of $4 Trillion usd. Money well spent if it makes the lives of Russians more miserable and helps with the goal of destroying the Soviet stockpile that the Russians have used to bully their neighbours with since the collapse of their Union.

Russia's population is already in irreversable decline. It cannot, in any way, afford the death and maming of it's young, working age population. If we as the West can spend insignificant amounts of money to help the Ukrainians achieve that task, I'm happy to have my tax money do that.

 

[contricusc]

Waste of taxmoney.

Could be more usefull for the millions of homeless-and unemployed German citizens, or the millions of African immigrants in German cities.

Actually it is the best use of taxmoney. The main task of a government is defence, as this is something that the private sector can’t provide. The most rational way to spend taxmoney is for defence, and helping Ukraine destroy Russia’s military is the cheapest way Germany can invest in its defense.

 

[contricusc]

For Russians, their options are pretty much :

1. A defeated Russia where Russia is once again a geopolitical loser like the 90s
2. Continue the war forward with the hope that Ukraine will eventually be abandoned. And this is more realistic

ANY sensible Russians would choose option #1.

I know you meant opton #2, but the funny thing is that what you wrote is actually the truth. Any sensible Russian would choose option 1 rather than the continuation of a ruinous war that would end with Russians living like North Koreans.

If this war continues for a few more years, the 90s will turn into fond memories for Russians as compared to what they will go through this time.

 

[Gary]

I know you meant opton #2,

Yes, thanks for the correction.

but the funny thing is that what you wrote is actually the truth. Any sensible Russian would choose option 1 rather than the continuation of a ruinous war that would end with Russians living like North Koreans.

If this war continues for a few more years, the 90s will turn into fond memories for Russians as compared to what they will go through this time.

Umm, debatable. Russia produces street criminals like crazy, especially in the lower-tier cities. That's a steady supply of potential soldiers and there's nothing close yet to actually convince Russians that stopping war and rolling back into the 1991 border is any better than what they already have now. Where the standard of living actually rises, and Russia actually gets bigger.

Contrary to popular belief, most Russians actually live the normal life (by war standards of course) and they have yet to feel the bite of warfare back home other than some random Ukrainian strikes. Another important fact that Russians are aware of is, that the more lands and settlements are captured, the less likely Russians will be forced into mass-conscription as Ukrainians living under Russian administration will do it for them instead.

 

[Rooxbar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721908082756735268

we don't seem to be taking this lesson that seriously.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of an inspection inside an American-made Ukrainian M1A1 SA Abrams tank. The tank had previously been hit or hit a mine in the Avdeevsky direction, this is the outskirts of Berdychi, after which the crew abandoned it. These tanks were received by the 47th separate mechanized brigade "Magura". The M1A1SA Abrams tank is a modification of the eighties, improved to meet the requirements for tanks of the late nineties. In terms of equipment and capabilities, the M1A1SA tank is similar to tanks of the next modification M1A2 of the early series.

 

[Ecderha]

If you ask ruzzians - They keep saying (fact is that they are liers ) that thier military products are the Most advanced and the Most high tech in the world. Also they claim that thier products are ahead of time.


Lets back to Real World and Real Facts. World keep seeing what are the ruzzian junks ( coffins ) quality
Let see another one, just wait to the END.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770366252134883798

 

[Relic]

Some news on additional defense packages and macro financial assistance for Ukraine.

Finland is sending CB90 river boats to Ukraine, joining the initiative by Sweden and The Netherlands . Finland did not announce the quantity of boats that they'll send.

After Sweden and the Netherlands, Finland Also Provides Ukraine with CB90 and Other Boats | Defense Express

There are several reasons why such naval assistance is more important than might seem

en.defence-ua.com

Kosovo is sending armored personnel carriers, tactical vehicles and mortar rounds.

Kosovo announces its first-ever military aid packages for Ukraine - Euromaidan Press

Kosovo will send two military aid packages to Ukraine, including armored vehicles, trucks, and mortar shells. The first package will be delivered to Ukraine next week, according to Kosovo’s Defense Minister

euromaidanpress.com

The European Union released it's first tranche of 2024's $5 billion usd worth of financial aid under the Ukraine Peace Facility.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770407372462182421

The European Union also voted to accept the proposal that all interest made from frozen Russian assets in Europe be sent to Ukraine. That amounts to approximately $3.3 Billion usd per year. The first transfer of such funds will take place in July of this year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770454324079894901

 

[Ecderha]

This is absolutely normal for Neodespotism countries.
- One dictator,
- Only he win
- Only he order
- Only his words are matter
- Only his words are saying "the True" to his people
- He stay on POWER until people living in this territory Revolt and win the revolution

Until there is no revolution people living there have only one thing to do. Obey what dictator say to you as slave

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770364450144489510

 

[contricusc]

Contrary to popular belief, most Russians actually live the normal life (by war standards of course) and they have yet to feel the bite of warfare back home other than some random Ukrainian strikes.

It’s not the warfare that will ruin their lifestyle, but the economic cost of the war. If Russia continues on this war footing for a few more years, the Russian people will be impoverished to levels not seen even in the 90s.

Russia has no way to win a prolonged war against Europe, as the amount of resources and money the Europeans can throw at the war is infinite compared to Russia’s limited economic power.

Russia has only two cities at European level (Moscow and St Petersburg), but it is fighting an economic war against an entire continent that is made of Moscows and St Petersburgs. The cost of this war for Europe is basically nothning so far, and if necessary the aid can be increased without anything being felt by ordinary Europeans. On the other hand, Russians will see their purchasing power deteriorate further with every year of the war, until they reach the lifestyle of their good friends: North Koreans, Cubans and Venezuelans.

 

[Gary]

The West has been lusting (in vain) for Russia to collapse from :

1. Internal fracture
2. Putin's overthrow by popular revolution
3. Destruction of the Russian economy

Russia survived no.1 while yet to experience no.2 and 3. On the contrary Putin is actually very popular in wartime Russia, capturing a mind boggling 87% vote, while the Russian economy actually grows and wages are increasing.

The West could throw as much money as they like, but that money would only help so much. If Ukraine continues to lose land and eventually occupied in it's entirty where are they going to spend all that money? To the nonexistent Ukrainskaya Armiya ?

Just like how Russia defies 'experts' prediction on its imminent fall, I'd expect Russia to prove that it is capable of some serious gains in the next 5-7 years.

 

[Scott Summers]

290,000 additional artillery shells equates to tens of thousands of young Russians that will never make it home to their families for Christmas. It's also hundreds, if not several thousand tanks, IFVs and artillery pieces from the Soviet stockpile that Russia will never be able to replace. Finally, it keeps Ukraine in the fight and forces Russia to spend billions more dollars on their pointless war, further exhausting their foreign currency reserves, increasing inflation inside Russia and further damaging the purchasing power of the average Russian.

$540 million usd is absolute peanuts for a country like Germany, with a GDP north of $4 Trillion usd. Money well spent if it makes the lives of Russians more miserable and helps with the goal of destroying the Soviet stockpile that the Russians have used to bully their neighbours with since the collapse of their Union.

Russia's population is already in irreversable decline. It cannot, in any way, afford the death and maming of it's young, working age population. If we as the West can spend insignificant amounts of money to help the Ukrainians achieve that task, I'm happy to have my tax money do that.

So the main goal is not to liberate Ukraine or the Ukrainian people, but just to erase the Russian people?

Thats a nazistic view and i dont share this view.

I hope a lot of Ukrainians will be able to read this because in this nazistic worldview the Ukrainians will be wiped out of the map to fullfill the Western goals.

 

[Relic]

The West has been lusting (in vain) for Russia to collapse from :

1. Internal fracture
2. Putin's overthrow by popular revolution
3. Destruction of the Russian economy

Russia survived no.1 while yet to experience no.2 and 3. On the contrary Putin is actually very popular in wartime Russia, capturing a mind boggling 87% vote, while the Russian economy actually grows and wages are increasing.

The West could throw as much money as they like, but that money would only help so much. If Ukraine continues to lose land and eventually occupied in it's entirty where are they going to spend all that money? To the nonexistent Ukrainskaya Armiya ?

Just like how Russia defies 'experts' prediction on its imminent fall, I'd expect Russia to prove that it is capable of some serious gains in the next 5-7 years.

Lol, 80%+ of Ukraine is not occupied and Russians lose thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) of men and hundreds of armored vehicles and artillery pieces for each additional 1% that they take. Outside of Mariupol, all of Ukraine's large cities are still standing and none are under immediate threat of falling. Kyiv, Lviv, Kharkiv, Odessa, Kramatorsk, etc, etc.

Just yesterday at the latest Ramstein meeting USA estimated Russian losses at 315,000 KIA / WIA / MIA. They also estimated that Russia has spent at least $211 Billion usd during the war and has deeply damaged their foreign currency reserves, while spiking inflation inside Russia. Some 30%-40% of the enormous Soviet stockpile that was left to them has also been exhausted, with losses happening at a far greater rate than Russia can replace them.

If the collective West has to send an insignificant $100-$150'ish billion usd to Ukraine each year to ensure that Russia continues to take territory at a snail's pace, that's money extremely well spent. When USA passes their next large tranche of funding for Ukraine, it's going to be even kore nightmarish for the Russians in their attempt to advance. They're trading so much for so little right now. As Ukraine's artillery shell stockpiles increase throughout 2024, it's only going to get worse.

 

[Relic]

So the main goal is not to liberate Ukraine or the Ukrainian people, but just to erase the Russian people?

Thats a nazistic view and i dont share this view.

I hope a lot of Ukrainians will be able to read this because in this nazistic worldview the Ukrainians will be wiped out of the map to fullfill the Western goals.

The main goal of the West is and has always been to spend small amounts of money (relatively speaking) to support the Ukrainians in exhausting Russia's Soviet stockpile and, thus, their ability to project "hard" power in the region and to quell their attempts to remake the Soviet Union by force. Simultaneously, the West has achieved its secondary goal of growing NATO and lengthening its border with Russia, for geostrategic purposes.

The liberation of Ukraine is largely a Ukrainian goal, supported with with Western weapons and money. Make no mistake about it, however, Russia miscalculated Ukraine's ability to hold up in a war and NATO's resolve in supporting our proxy. The West fully intends on taking advantage of that mistake by Russia and twisting the knife into them economically, politically, and geostrategically. It's Russia's government that is responsible to its people. Putin gets to decide how many of his nation's youth he wants to sacrifice and how many miserable, broken, Russian families he wants create. We're simply happy to oblige him by sending money and weapons to the Ukrainians in support of that outcome.

 

[Relic]

Spain has announced a new defense package for Ukraine, consisting of 19 additional Leopard 2A4 MBTs. The tanks are being refurbished from existing Spanish stockpiles and will be sent to Ukraine later this year.

Spain has several hundred Leopard 2A4 MBTs in storage. However, many would need significant repair before being sent to Ukraine.

Germany , Poland , Italy and Spain have established a new armored vehicle coalition for Ukraine to provide them fresh reinforcements of armor. Germany announced that they will send an additional 100 IFVs. This announcement for Spain represents the second official announcement coming out of the Ramstein 20 meeting.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1770515170260869246

 

[Relic]

Sweden and Portugal have officially joined the Czech led initiative to purchase artillery shells for Ukraine from outside the European Union . Sweden will donate $108 million usd to the coalition, while Portugal will donate $32.6 million usd.

The combined donation will purchase approximately 75,000 of the 800,000 shells identified by the Czechs.

 

[contricusc]

The combined donation will purchase approximately 75,000 of the 800,000 shells identified by the Czechs.

The Czechs need to find additional shells, as the donations needed to purchase them keep piling in.

 

[Gary]

Lol, 80%+ of Ukraine is not occupied and Russians lose thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) of men and hundreds of armored vehicles and artillery pieces for each additional 1% that they take. Outside of Mariupol, all of Ukraine's large cities are still standing and none are under immediate threat of falling. Kyiv, Lviv, Kharkiv, Odessa, Kramatorsk, etc, etc.

Just yesterday at the latest Ramstein meeting USA estimated Russian losses at 315,000 KIA / WIA / MIA. They also estimated that Russia has spent at least $211 Billion usd during the war and has deeply damaged their foreign currency reserves, while spiking inflation inside Russia. Some 30%-40% of the enormous Soviet stockpile that was left to them has also been exhausted, with losses happening at a far greater rate than Russia can replace them.

If the collective West has to send an insignificant $100-$150'ish billion usd to Ukraine each year to ensure that Russia continues to take territory at a snail's pace, that's money extremely well spent. When USA passes their next large tranche of funding for Ukraine, it's going to be even kore nightmarish for the Russians in their attempt to advance. They're trading so much for so little right now. As Ukraine's artillery shell stockpiles increase throughout 2024, it's only going to get worse.

That 20% constitutes of what was once Ukraine's industrial heartland, in addition to some of its largest and most important cities. As the Russians creep on closer, cities like Kharkiv could again be within reach of the Russian army.

Time is essentialy Ukraine's biggest nightmare, the longer the war drags on, the higher the chance their donor would have a change of heart. This has happened before to protracted warfare the likes of Viet Nam and Afghanistan, both ended with the West leaving their local allies to the dogs.

We do not know if in the next 5-10 years if isolationist took positions of power in the States, or if the U.S actually goes to war with China as many predicted. The possibilities of distractions are basically endless and the Ukrainian public are increasingly aware of this. This is why you see people in Ukraine are leaving the country en masse, or goes into hiding. They know that losses in the fornt are very high for Ukraine and with din prospect of getting limitless amount of supplies, their life expectancy t the front has dropped significantly.

 

[Oublious]

US Senator Graham says Ukraine aid depends on conditions, domestic issues​

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senator-graham-says-ukraine-aid-depends-conditions-domestic-issues-2024-03-18/

Why did they not asked why are you giving Israel not a loan?