Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Packetlight]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1812780200674902072

Talk about being a “decisive enabler”:
India has increased its imports of Russian oil by approximately 1,800% since before the war in Ukraine began.

— While India's increase was substantial, China only increased its Russian oil imports by 43% during the same period.
— India's increased imports have compensated for almost 70% of Russia's revenue loss from the European Union.
— India's purchases have put $37 billion into Moscow's coffers, undermining Western sanctions aimed at isolating Russia economically.

I hope EU is prepared to sanction everyone at this moment.

 

[contricusc]

Talk about being a “decisive enabler”:
India has increased its imports of Russian oil by approximately 1,800% since before the war in Ukraine began.

One of the West’s biggest geopolitical mistakes right now is courting India in order to counter China. They are repeating the mistake of the US when it courted China to counter the Soviet Union. It seems Western leaders never learn from their mistakes.

India has proven over and over again that it is not trustworthy and once it has enough power on its own it will turn against the West.

 

[Relic]

Norway has agreed to transfer an IRIS-T SLM air defense battery to Ukraine in cooperation with Germany . The battery will arrive in Ukraine during the fall.

While a step down from Patriot and SAMP/T, Iris-T is extremely accurate and easily intercepts Russian cruise missiles and drones. It's simply not ballistic missile interceptor.

Norway to allocate nearly $93 million to bolster Ukraine's air defenses

Oslo will allocate 1 billion Norwegian kroner (around $93 million) to bolster Ukraine's air defense, Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere announced on July 11 at the NATO summit in Washington, as reported by Reuters.

kyivindependent.com

 

[Jammer]

One of the West’s biggest geopolitical mistakes right now is courting India in order to counter China. They are repeating the mistake of the US when it courted China to counter the Soviet Union. It seems Western leaders never learn from their mistakes.

India has proven over and over again that it is not trustworthy and once it has enough power on its own it will turn against the West.

What you expect? Everyone will remain slaves of the united states like Europe?. Europe doesnt matter when it comes to the Asia pacific. Most of you guys were happy doing business with china and even joined the belt and road initiative for crying out loud.Nobody in the asia pacific is going to feel secure by having any security guaranteed by a european nation and we dont need to sacrifice our economy for your problems.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1813183853730681087

 

[contricusc]

What you expect? Everyone will remain slaves of the united states like Europe?. Europe doesnt matter when it comes to the Asia pacific. Most of you guys were happy doing business with china and even joined the belt and road initiative for crying out loud.Nobody in the asia pacific is going to feel secure by having any security guaranteed by a european nation and we dont need to sacrifice our economy for your problems.

As an independent country, you are free to pursue your own path. But from a European prspective, India is no better than China. You are adding coal capacity to your energy grid at an alarming rate, and you are saving Russia’s economy by purchasing their oil when they got sanctioned.

My problem is with Western leaders who act as if India is their friend, in a desperate attempt to counter China, when the reality is that India is just another China. There is no real difference between the two. You don’t care about the decarbonization efforts of the EU (more and more coal power plants are being built in India) and you help Russia to avoid the sanctions.

Why should India be treated different than China, when it acts in the exact same way?

 

[Jammer]

As an independent country, you are free to pursue your own path. But from a European prspective, India is no better than China. You are adding coal capacity to your energy grid at an alarming rate, and you are saving Russia’s economy by purchasing their oil when they got sanctioned.

My problem is with Western leaders who act as if India is their friend, in a desperate attempt to counter China, when the reality is that India is just another China. There is no real difference between the two. You don’t care about the decarbonization efforts of the EU (more and more coal power plants are being built in India) and you help Russia to avoid the sanctions.

Why should India be treated different than China, when it acts in the exact same way?

Europe can treat us anyway they want. In the end US will always see the benefit of relationship with india and other states in the region for the mutual benefit they can provide instead of being the clowns who will shut all their nuclear power stations in the name of de carbonisation only to run back to coal powered stations when russian oil stopped. India and china care about providing basic utilities to their people cheaply instead of the activism that the clown state of EU follows. Europeans need to get of their high horse and accept reality.

 

[Afif]

As an independent country, you are free to pursue your own path. But from a European prspective, India is no better than China. You are adding coal capacity to your energy grid at an alarming rate, and you are saving Russia’s economy by purchasing their oil when they got sanctioned.

My problem is with Western leaders who act as if India is their friend, in a desperate attempt to counter China, when the reality is that India is just another China. There is no real difference between the two. You don’t care about the decarbonization efforts of the EU (more and more coal power plants are being built in India) and you help Russia to avoid the sanctions.

Why should India be treated different than China, when it acts in the exact same way?

I mean, you do realise EU per capita greenhouse gas emission is over 7 metric tons and in India it is just under 2 metric tons?

Proportionally, West is still significantly emits more greenhouse gas than anyone else.

 

[contricusc]

I mean, you do realise EU per capita greenhouse gas emission is over 7 metric tons and in India it is just under 2 metric tons?

Proportionally, West is still significantly emits more greenhouse gas than anyone else.

It is about the trends and the directions where each is going, which reflects the current policies (not the past).

Since 1990, the EU emmissions have decreased by 26%.
In the same period, China increased emmissions by 526%, India by 448% and Indonesia by 430% (while the US stayed flat).

So all the efforts of the EU to reduce emmissions have been in vain, as China, India and Indonesia (together with other smaller countries in Asia and Africa) are increasing emmissions at a very fast pace.

India is one of the countries that is sabotaging both of EU’s main global policies, which are defeating Russia in Ukraine and reducing global emmissions. Why are they not seen as an adversary is beyond comprehension, as they directly act against the interests of the EU.

 

[contricusc]

India and china care about providing basic utilities to their people cheaply instead of the activism that the clown state of EU follows. Europeans need to get of their high horse and accept reality.

You are right that Europeans need to slow down in their decarbonization efforts, as they are totally in vain considering the actions of China and India. At this point, Europe is hurting itself by sacrificing its own prosperity for the benefit of the whole world, while China and India don’t care at all about the rest.

But the current situation when they speak about combating climate change without criticizing China, India and Indonesia is just ridiculous.

 

[Afif]

It is about the trends and the directions where each is going, which reflects the current policies (not the past).

Since 1990, the EU emmissions have decreased by 26%.
In the same period, China increased emmissions by 526%, India by 448% and Indonesia by 430% (while the US stayed flat).

So all the efforts of the EU to reduce emmissions have been in vain, as China, India and Indonesia (together with other smaller countries in Asia and Africa) are increasing emmissions at a very fast pace.

India is one of the countries that is sabotaging both of EU’s main global policies, which are defeating Russia in Ukraine and reducing global emmissions. Why are they not seen as an adversary is beyond comprehension, as they directly act against the interests of the EU.

Those nations needs to be industrialized obviously. EU or USA can't simply say, okay cool, we got our Industries but everyone must stop now.

 

[Afif]

You are right that Europeans need to slow down in their decarbonization efforts, as they are totally in vain considering the actions of China and India. At this point, Europe is hurting itself by sacrificing its own prosperity for the benefit of the whole world, while China and India don’t care at all about the rest.

But the current situation when they speak about combating climate change without criticizing China, India and Indonesia is just ridiculous.

Morally, you can only critize them if their emmissions per capita exceeds the West's per capita emmission. Even that is questionable as West outsource manufacturing to these countries.

 

[Jammer]

You are right that Europeans need to slow down in their decarbonization efforts, as they are totally in vain considering the actions of China and India. At this point, Europe is hurting itself by sacrificing its own prosperity for the benefit of the whole world, while China and India don’t care at all about the rest.

But the current situation when they speak about combating climate change without criticizing China, India and Indonesia is just ridiculous.

How nice of you high beings to sacrifice so much for us mere beasts.we are just ignorant fools who cant comprehend the sacrifices the EU is making for the world. If it was a man EU would have been struck to a cross and we beasts would have started a religion in their honor.

 

[contricusc]

Those nations needs to be industrialized obviously. EU or USA can't simply say, okay cool, we got our Industries but everyone must stop now.

But you do realize that if every country on earth would reach the same industrialization level as the EU or the US, the global emissions would be through the roof? At this point in time, when there is enough knowledge about the effects of emmissions on the global climate, as well as alternative sources of energy and cleaner technologies, there should be a slower and cleaner process of industrialization in the less developed world.

Why build new coal power plants when theree are cleaner sources of energy available?

Morally, you can only critize them if their emmissions per capita exceeds the West's per capita emmission. Even that is questionable as West outsource manufacturing to these countries.

But why is nobody talking about the elephant in the room, which is birth rates? Europe has a declining population, with a very low birth rate. On the other hand, India, Indonesia, Pakistan and especially most African countries continue to expand their population.

You can’t speak about per capita emissions when some countries increase their capita number. If those countries want higher per capita emissions, they should start to reduce their birth rates, as the Europeans did.

This is why countries like China, Japan or South Korea are not such a big issue when it comes to long term emissions, because their populations are declining, and their emissions are most likely to fall in the future.

But African countries, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, those are the real problems, as they both increase their population and their per capita emissions. Their emmissions have nowhere to go but up, and this makes a mockery of the efforts made by other countries to reduce their emmissions.

 

[Afif]

But you do realize that if every country on earth would reach the same industrialization level as the EU or the US, the global emissions would be through the roof? At this point in time, when there is enough knowledge about the effects of emmissions on the global climate, as well as alternative sources of energy and cleaner technologies, there should be a slower and cleaner process of industrialization in the less developed world.

Why build new coal power plants when theree are cleaner sources of energy available?



But why is nobody talking about the elephant in the room, which is birth rates? Europe has a declining population, with a very low birth rate. On the other hand, India, Indonesia, Pakistan and especially most African countries continue to expand their population.

You can’t speak about per capita emissions when some countries increase their capita number. If those countries want higher per capita emissions, they should start to reduce their birth rates, as the Europeans did.

This is why countries like China, Japan or South Korea are not such a big issue when it comes to long term emissions, because their populations are declining, and their emissions are most likely to fall in the future.

But African countries, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, those are the real problems, as they both increase their population and their per capita emissions. Their emmissions have nowhere to go but up, and this makes a mockery of the efforts made by other countries to reduce their emmissions.

You do realize Both India and Bangladesh's birth rate is around 2.0. And it's only declining moving forward.

 

[Barry]

Europe can treat us anyway they want. In the end US will always see the benefit of relationship with india and other states in the region for the mutual benefit they can provide instead of being the clowns who will shut all their nuclear power stations in the name of de carbonisation only to run back to coal powered stations when russian oil stopped. India and china care about providing basic utilities to their people cheaply instead of the activism that the clown state of EU follows. Europeans need to get of their high horse and accept reality.

One thing about Europeans is that they think they're the highest possible form of human being, even balkan euros, who suddenly think the rest of Europe sees them as equals.

They don't. Just another house mentality

 

[contricusc]

You do realize Both India and Bangladesh's birth rate is around 2.0. And it's only declining moving forward.

Yes, you are right about that. Both countries made big progress in this regard in the last 20 years. Maybe they should do the same when it comes to coal-powered energy, and they will start to move to a more sustainable path going forward.

But the African problem remains and the global population is still growing, so the per-capita argument doesn’t stand because the current world population is too large to have a per-capita energy consumption equivalent of developed countries.

Increasing the global per-capita consumption of energy should come only at the same time with a decreae in population and a qualitative increase in the energy mix. Right now, developing nations are increasing coal energy at unsustainable levels, and this should be addreessed.