Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[FiReFTW]

 

[blackjack]

Vance must receive the best intel in the world about the war to make such a conclusion that Ukraine never had a chance starting the war despite the backing they were receiving. And Starmer also helped us gauge europe's strength as well without the U.S. If anything 500 might be correct about his graph but you would have to multiply it by 10 to estimate ukraine's losses. Trump, Vance, Rubio his son make it clear the country is done. Also Vance states Europe's stock and industrial capabilities are depleted so I am assuming the thought of the 700 billion euro's is to rebuild Europe's military but the war might be over by than.

If anything users here should be cheering for Zelensky to sign the deal if you really are pro-ukrainian, if you guys don't than you are Russian cheer leaders that want Russia to have the last place worth trillions of dollars.

 

[blackjack]

Significant news today as multiple outlets are now reporting that the EU's previously announced new military aid package for Ukraine has now grown to approximately $21 Billion usd, after initially being reported in the $6-$10 Billion usd.

The package will continue to be negotiated during a meeting of EU Foreign Ministers on Monday and is likely to be announced shortly after Germany's elections next week.

Of important note, this $21Billion usd package will come from a coalition of the willing, rather than through any official EU mechanism. It has been strategically devised in this way so that Hungary and Slovakia can not stall / veto the package. It's expected that between 21-23 (out of 27) EU countries will contribute to the package and that it will consist of (but is not limited to) the following:

- Air defense systems
- Air defense interceptors
- Cruise missiles
- F-16 ordinance and weapons
- Mirage-2000 ordinance and weapons
- 155mm howitzers
- 152mm howitzers
- 155mm artillery shells
- 152mm artillery shells
- 122mm artillery shells
- Surveillance Drones
- Kamikaze Drones
- IFVs
- APCs
- MBTs
- MRAPS
- Small Arms and Ammunition
- Training
- Cash for Ukraine's domestic defense industrial complex.

EU leaders plan €20B Ukraine aid package as Trump turns against Zelenskyy

As the U.S. turns its back, Europe is scrambling to step up.

www.politico.eu

EU prepares 20 billion euro military aid package for Ukraine - Bloomberg

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

Maybe JD Vance was right about Europe's situation. I will be surprised if the 700 billion euro package even passes.

 

[Soldier30]

Operators of Russian FPV drones controlled via fiber optic cable showed a large destroyed column of armored vehicles of the Ukrainian army near the border village of Novenkoe in the Sumy region of Ukraine. Earlier it was reported that Russian troops crossed the border of the Sumy region of Ukraine and began moving towards the villages of Novenkoe and Basovka. The video shows damaged and abandoned Ukrainian armored personnel carriers XA-180, an armored vehicle International MaxxPro, a T-64BV tank, an armored personnel carrier Pbv 302, an infantry fighting vehicle with a destroyed turret and next to it, presumably an armored vehicle "Kozak". Also shown are drone strikes on the Ukrainian BMP-1 and the armored personnel carrier Pbv 302 from this column. Presumably, all the equipment was destroyed by drones.

 

[blackjack]

 

[blackjack]

Also a reminder

 

[Relic]

Center / right wing leader Friderich Merz has won the election in Germany . Merz is no fan of Trump's actions regarding Russia and Ukraine. The new Chancellor is staunchly in support of not only increasing aid to Ukraine, but also ramping up the militsry side of the EU, so as not to have to rely on the Americans.

The Merz election is a significant win for Ukraine. Germany has a slew of military projects for Ukraine that they would like to grennlight / enhance, but require additional funding beyond what Germany has already committed for 2025. Merz will almost certainly get to work right away in seeking the approval for extra funding aimed at supporting Ukraine. This likely will include the shipping of Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine, something that Merz has long been supportive of.

Conservative opposition wins German election and the far right is 2nd with strongest postwar result

Projections show German opposition leader Friedrich Merz’s conservatives have won a lackluster victory in Sunday's national election.

apnews.com

 

[FiReFTW]

Center / right wing leader Friderich Merz has won the election in Germany . Merz is no fan of Trump's actions regarding Russia and Ukraine. The new Chancellor is staunchly in support of not only increasing aid to Ukraine, but also ramping up the militsry side of the EU, so as not to have to rely on the Americans.

The Merz election is a significant win for Ukraine. Germany has a slew of military projects for Ukraine that they would like to grennlight / enhance, but require additional funding beyond what Germany has already committed for 2025. Merz will almost certainly get to work right away in seeking the approval for extra funding aimed at supporting Ukraine. This likely will include the shipping of Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine, something that Merz has long been supportive of.

Conservative opposition wins German election and the far right is 2nd with strongest postwar result

Projections show German opposition leader Friedrich Merz’s conservatives have won a lackluster victory in Sunday's national election.

apnews.com

What are you smoking still? The war is going to be over, the USA is done.
The war will be over in 6 months is my guess.

 

[Spitfire9]

Center / right wing leader Friderich Merz has won the election in Germany . Merz is no fan of Trump's actions regarding Russia and Ukraine. The new Chancellor is staunchly in support of not only increasing aid to Ukraine, but also ramping up the militsry side of the EU, so as not to have to rely on the Americans.

The Merz election is a significant win for Ukraine. Germany has a slew of military projects for Ukraine that they would like to grennlight / enhance, but require additional funding beyond what Germany has already committed for 2025. Merz will almost certainly get to work right away in seeking the approval for extra funding aimed at supporting Ukraine. This likely will include the shipping of Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine, something that Merz has long been supportive of.

Conservative opposition wins German election and the far right is 2nd with strongest postwar result

Projections show German opposition leader Friedrich Merz’s conservatives have won a lackluster victory in Sunday's national election.

apnews.com

How many Scalp/Storm Shadow/Taurus do France/UK/Germany have now?

How many of those can they release for use by Ukraine?

How many are produced each year?

 

[500]

If anything 500 might be correct about his graph

My graph is very accurate.

Blue territories Russia controlled in march 2022 and was forced to retreat. Now they control much less territories than 3 years ago.

but you would have to multiply it by 10 to estimate ukraine's losses.

Ukrainian losses are lower. But since Ukraine population is 4.5 times smaller than Russian, Russia has the upper hand in attrition war.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of a Russian Iskander-M ballistic missile striking a Ukrainian S-300V air defense system. The video was filmed between the villages of Malyi Bobryk and Velykiy Bobryk in the Sumy region of Ukraine, about 24 km from the border with Russia. The filming was carried out by a Russian drone, the S-300 air defense division of Ukraine was not covered by other air defense systems. The S-300V air defense system is a less common tracked modification of the S-300 air defense system. The S-300V missile launcher is mounted on the chassis of the Pion self-propelled gun. Judging by the video, the Iskander-M missile strike was accurate, just a few meters from the air defense system. As a result of the strike, the missiles exploded in the Ukrainian S-300V air defense system.

 

[MaciekRS]

"
Assistance and military aid for Ukraine:

Norway: €3.5 billion euros;
Finland: €4.5 million for infrastructure restoration and European integration;
Australia: the largest package of sanctions against Russia, 70 individuals and 79 organizations;
New Zealand: sanctions against Russia;
Spain: €1 billion in military aid;
Denmark: €270 million;
Sweden: $113 million in air defense systems;
Canada: 25 LAV III APCs and four F-16 flight simulators, first part of a $5 billion aid package funded by frozen Russian assets;
UK: $5.6 billion in military aid, a package of sanctions against Russian and Chinese companies involved in the war. Great Britain is ready to send its peacekeeping troops to Ukraine along with other countries."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893991876962746375

 

[Relic]

"
Assistance and military aid for Ukraine:

Norway: €3.5 billion euros;
Finland: €4.5 million for infrastructure restoration and European integration;
Australia: the largest package of sanctions against Russia, 70 individuals and 79 organizations;
New Zealand: sanctions against Russia;
Spain: €1 billion in military aid;
Denmark: €270 million;
Sweden: $113 million in air defense systems;
Canada: 25 LAV III APCs and four F-16 flight simulators, first part of a $5 billion aid package funded by frozen Russian assets;
UK: $5.6 billion in military aid, a package of sanctions against Russian and Chinese companies involved in the war. Great Britain is ready to send its peacekeeping troops to Ukraine along with other countries."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893991876962746375

Just to go a little deeper into some of these...

Sweden's $113 million usd package will consist of the following:

- RBS-70 SHORAD air defense systems
- MK2 Triton SHORAD air defense systems

Canada's package will consist of the following:

- 25 LAV III Armored Fighting Vehicles
- 4 F-16 Simulators
- Millions of rounds of small arms ammo
- $5 Billion usd cash in the form of a loan

Spain $1.1 Billion usd package will consist of the following:

- Amored Fighting Vehicles
- Air Defense Missiles
- Artillery Shells

Norway's $3.5 Billion usd package will consist of

- CV9035 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
- NASAMS Air Defense Systems
- AIM-120 Air Defense Missiles
- Cash for Artillery Shells
- Cash for Ukraine's Domestic Production

The Netherlands also announced that they have now transferred 12 of their promised F-16s to Ukraine, with a further 6 scheduled for delivery during the first half of 2025.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of Russian Kh-101 cruise missile strikes on the Ukrainian gas production station "Shebelinkagazdobycha", located near the settlement of Mirnoye in the Kharkiv region. The video was filmed on February 20 by a local resident. The range of the Russian Kh-101 missile is up to 5,500 km, the warhead is 400 kg. Some versions of the Kh-101 missiles have a warhead of 800 kg

 

[Woland]

Ukraine has agreed on US minerals deal after Washington dropped its toughest demands. The agreement looks fine. It will enable Trump to claim a win, and potentially improve the relationship between the current administration and Ukraine's government.

Summary:
- Kyiv is set to sign a deal to jointly develop natural resources, including oil and gas, after the US dropped its claim to $500 billion in potential revenue from their extraction.
- The final version of the agreement envisages the creation of a fund into which Ukraine would transfer 50% of the revenue from the future monetization of state-owned mineral resources, including oil, gas and infrastructure related to their extraction.
- The funds from this fund will be directed towards investment projects in Ukraine itself. However, existing assets, such as those of Naftogaz and Ukrnafta, are not covered by the agreement and will not be included in the fund.
- The document makes no mention of security guarantees from the US
- It remains unclear what share of the fund the US will receive and what the terms of the “joint ownership” of the resources will be, these issues will be determined in upcoming agreements.
- Ukrainian officials said that the deal has already received approval from the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Economy and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, and also allow for the possibility of Zelensky visiting the White House in the coming weeks to sign the agreement with Trump. “This will be a chance for the president to discuss what the bigger picture is. And then after it, we will be able to think of the next steps,” said one official.

 

[TR_123456]

Ukraine has agreed on US minerals deal after Washington dropped its toughest demands. The agreement looks fine. It will enable Trump to claim a win, and potentially improve the relationship between the current administration and Ukraine's government.

Summary:
- Kyiv is set to sign a deal to jointly develop natural resources, including oil and gas, after the US dropped its claim to $500 billion in potential revenue from their extraction.
- The final version of the agreement envisages the creation of a fund into which Ukraine would transfer 50% of the revenue from the future monetization of state-owned mineral resources, including oil, gas and infrastructure related to their extraction.
- The funds from this fund will be directed towards investment projects in Ukraine itself. However, existing assets, such as those of Naftogaz and Ukrnafta, are not covered by the agreement and will not be included in the fund.
- The document makes no mention of security guarantees from the US
- It remains unclear what share of the fund the US will receive and what the terms of the “joint ownership” of the resources will be, these issues will be determined in upcoming agreements.
- Ukrainian officials said that the deal has already received approval from the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Economy and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, and also allow for the possibility of Zelensky visiting the White House in the coming weeks to sign the agreement with Trump. “This will be a chance for the president to discuss what the bigger picture is. And then after it, we will be able to think of the next steps,” said one official.

So,blackmailed huh?
No security guarantee means,Trump clearly sold you out.

 

[500]

So,blackmailed huh?
No security guarantee means,Trump clearly sold you out.

This agreement means nothing. Trump wanted to show that he is a tough negotiator that's all.

 

[Woland]

So,blackmailed huh?
No security guarantee means,Trump clearly sold you out.

Not at all, Trump now has an agreement he can show to his voters as proof he's a brilliant negotiator who is getting their money back, while unblocking what remains of Ukraine aid from the Biden administration, and letting the Department of Defense and State Department continue working with Ukraine. The agreement itself doesn't contain anything bad for Ukraine.

 

[TR_123456]

Not at all, Trump now has an agreement he can show to his voters as proof he's a brilliant negotiator who is getting their money back, while unblocking what remains of Ukraine aid from the Biden administration, and letting the Department of Defense and State Department continue working with Ukraine. The agreement itself doesn't contain anything bad for Ukraine.

Where is the security guarantee,without it you have no peace?
If Trump gets what he wants why dont you get what you want?
How can you see this as a win for Ukraine?
''Working with Ukraine'',what does that mean?

 

[chibiyabi]

Where is the security guarantee,without it you have no peace?
If Trump gets what he wants why dont you get what you want?
How can you see this as a win for Ukraine?
''Working with Ukraine'',what does that mean?

in this situations, russia stop invading already a win for UA, small nation, with very limited resource of fund, citizens, military hardware, can stop what we call second world best armed forces. if US stop military support, then europe allies should take the place, invest in military hardware in UA, as a front line for them. ther is no guarrantee that Russia will not do the same thing that they did to UA to others EU nations, but its better for another europe countries to stop everything in UA land, rather than their home soil.

its hurts, its sad but its reality. in this term, US will force Russia to stop the invading attemp, after the agreement was sign. if US cannot control the russian, than all will fire back to Trump.