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[Aloster]

Test torpedoes likely. Aselsan's ORKA could be in trials but i doubt if it is in sea trials. I can not differ whether the launcher and tubes are Aselsan's but it would make sense for Aselsan's torpedo launchers to be tested around this time before being installed on F-515.

At least they write Aselsan's torpedo launchers t video ,I hope it is true. U said before trials for Orka will start this year . I wish at F-515 we see both of them , launcher and torpedo together. They will be very good achievement and milestone.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Is it Orka light weight torpedo and launcher Aselsan torpedo launcher ? If possible, could u inform us? Because they are important as MIR may be more
Edit: launcher belongs to Aselsan

Torpedo launcher and torpedo itself are all domestic according to Mr. DEMIR.

 

[Anmdt]

Torpedo launcher and torpedo itself are all domestic according to Mr. DEMIR.

Then it should be Orka phase I product - converted to a test/training torpedoe, made by Aselsan for system verification (guidance, control systems).
Phase II continues by Roketsan.

 

[TheInsider]

According to various sources, it is Orka light torpedo prototype/training version (without a warhead).

 

[Anmdt]

You might have seen elf on shelf but have you seen;
UAV on USV
UUV on USV
USV on USV

Or combination of those.

UAV on USV will be demonstrated soon.

 

[boredaf]

You might have seen elf on shelf but have you seen;
UAV on USV
UUV on USV
USV on USV

Or combination of those.

UAV on USV will be demonstrated soon.

USV's have been one of the projects I've been most excited about, as I believe they'll truly change the dynamic in our waters, this makes me even more excited about them. Any hints about whether it'll be a new USV, or, a modified version of the ones we already know?

 

[Soldier30]

The first torpedo drop by Turkey's MIR SIDE maritime drone. The Turkish military company ASELSAN, showed the first firing of torpedoes without a crewed military boat MIR SIDA. Details about a military boat that can be used as a marine drone are not reported. It is known that the MIR SIDA boat can be equipped with American Mk 44, Mk 46 and Mk 54 torpedoes. In the background, you can see that the boat is escorted by the Turkish MARLIN SIDA naval drone

 

[Strong AI]

"MARLIN, our country's unmanned power in the seas; It is an unmanned surface vehicle with advanced autonomous capabilities, that can perform reconnaissance/surveillance, surface warfare, electronic warfare, critical facility security and amphibious operations with its modular design."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1660229226484596736

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662123992549928963

ULAQ delivered to our armed forces. Further tests will be conducted.
Engines for our USVs will be domestic from the first deliveries.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662544577780146178

"ALBATROS has been tested in 8 packs. They can share tasks with each other, and some of them can even become Kamikaze IDAs."

— ASELSAN YKB Prof. Dr. @halukgorgun

 

[cr33pt3d]

Imagine having a plethora of SIDA's on the TC Anadolu naval group, tb3's with small aesa for early warning tasks .tb3 with Sar radar to spot kamikaze boats.a tb3 with sungur-ER against enemy drones and helicopters.
2-4 sefine marlin with CAKIR and torpedo launcher's patroling around, and a few Marlin with aselsan point defence with aesa, for early air cover.
a few ulaq for intercepting kamikaze small boats, and TCG Anadolu having some sort Gokdemir for self-protection.
all these connected with a national data-link, managed by genesis on board Anadolu.
Damn, I have goosebumps just to imagine the possibilities. and the weird part is that we have pretty much everything to make this happen.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Havelsan semi-submerged kamikaze USV program started

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683183350767316994

 

[boredaf]

The new member of the ULAQ family of unmanned marine vehicles: ULAQ KAMA

İnsansız deniz aracı ULAQ ailesinin yeni üyesi: ULAQ KAMA

Savunma sanayinde milli sermaye ile faaliyet gösteren Antalya merkezli ARES Tersanesi ve Ankara merkezli Meteksan Savunma’nın alanda öncü olarak geliştirdiği

www.savunmatr.com

ULAQ KAMA is not only a deterrent weapon thanks to its long over-the-horizon range provided by its uninterrupted communication network, its low silhouette provided by its small dimensions, its unique maritime capability beyond its dimensions, its explosive payload, but also a reconnaissance - surveillance platform thanks to its sensor payload. With its features, ULAQ KAMA will offer new and asymmetric options to operational decision-makers, and will instil "Confidence in Friends and Fear in Enemies".

Considering that one of the most important elements of asymmetric warfare is directly proportional to the number of platforms, we would like to proudly state that we have established our production infrastructure to produce the same and high quality ULAQ KAMA as soon as possible. So much so that we will be able to deliver more than 100 ULAQ KAMAs to our end-user in less than a year after the requirement is notified. Congratulations to our country and our allies."

 

[Quasar]

ASELSAN &SEFİNE with towed sonar

 

[Tornadoss]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1689326853390049288

- HAVELSAN has started work to develop a 'Kamikaze Unmanned Marine Vehicle named ÇAKA.

- Kamikaze İDA, which can reach high speeds, will also be able to cruise in a submerged position.

- ÇAKA, which has a high-explosive warhead, will explode as soon as it contacts the target thanks to the impact fuse.

I am not sure whether Havelsan have means to develop an unmanned surface vehicle. I assume they would work with a shipyard.

@Anmdt do you have any info about that?

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1689326853390049288

I am not sure whether Havelsan have means to develop an unmanned surface vehicle. I assume they would work with a shipyard.

@Anmdt do you have any info about that?

They have signed MoU with Kraken shipyard (yacht manufacturer) that actually is an enterprise established by a foreigner.
However the design itself has some "flaws", "impractical approaches in terms of CONOPS" etc. not telling anything technical-wise.
May not kick-off as well. Underwater navigation is not a joke and not something Havelsan can pull off on their own or with a yacht manufacturer like Kraken.

P.S. I am not really hyped for this design. Ulaq's KAMA gives me more hope.

 

[Tornadoss]

They have signed MoU with Kraken shipyard (yacht manufacturer) that actually is an enterprise established by a foreigner.
However the design itself has some "flaws", "impractical approaches in terms of CONOPS" etc. not telling anything technical-wise.
May not kick-off as well. Underwater navigation is not a joke and not something Havelsan can pull off on their own or with a yacht manufacturer like Kraken.

P.S. I am not really hyped for this design. Ulaq's KAMA gives me more hope.

So we shouldn't keep our expectation high then, thanks.

 

[Anmdt]

They have signed MoU with Kraken shipyard (yacht manufacturer) that actually is an enterprise established by a foreigner.
However the design itself has some "flaws", "impractical approaches in terms of CONOPS" etc. not telling anything technical-wise.
May not kick-off as well. Underwater navigation is not a joke and not something Havelsan can pull off on their own or with a yacht manufacturer like Kraken.

P.S. I am not really hyped for this design. Ulaq's KAMA gives me more hope.

Here are my two cents on the matter, little bit on detail;

Operational perspective, operating from a mothership - in this case TCG Anadolu.

• Requires whole set of transfer - recovery systems as 3-5 hulls are not worth to occupy the dock. It is not practical to give up from amphibious support-assault roles of the dock in favor of carrying few kamikaze USVs.
• The range of system is unclear but for practical purpose it should have 50+ NM submerged range. With 10NM+ submerged range you achieve no victory against the real targets that worths TCG Anadolu to host these. Better use jet-powered low-observable drones to launch missiles-torpedoes-mines.
• Main function of USVs to provide longer stay at sea, at severe weather conditions, longer and higher endurance. For this purpose it would serve as a patrol-hunt-kill and approaching target. But who conducts by getting sea platforms up that close? ASuW is more conducted by missiles et al.
• Complexity, switching from surface to underwater mode is not as easy as thought. Submarines are made to operate underwater so even at the most favorable moment they sail at periscope - snorkeling depth, not fully surface. Switching between modes will require separate set of propulsion system, batteries that lasts for 10-24 hours, a diesel engine that can start on its own remotely and as fail-safe as possible.

The given reaons pushes us to this idea; This platform is only useful at the assault mode, not for defensive duties to operate from a mothership. However, a weapon system carried by a semi-submersible-low observable platform is likely to yield more damage or surprise factor against at the enemy. For a kamikaze USV the above given "complexity" would yield to unpractical and high prices as well.

Design wise;

• Trimaran hull form is not utilized as intended. The motivation to use trimaran form is highly unclear. The main-middle hull is not slender as needed to be to achieve the lowest drag. Underwater navigation may be challenging in course-keeping and route-stability. Function of side hulls seem to be for route-keeping, however propulsion system remains a mystery. A propulsion system providing high speed on surface will be impractical fully submerged.
• "Futuristic looking" yet impractical design features exists, such as the "tail" the reason is totally unknown. The design is not storable on the frigates or fast attack boats or other long-endurance platforms. The design is also not easy to recover from sea in case of retrieval.

 

[boredaf]

Requires whole set of transfer - recovery systems as 3-5 hulls are not worth to occupy the dock. It is not practical to give up from amphibious support-assault roles of the dock in favor of carrying few kamikaze USVs.

Would you say it would be worth it if it was an USV like in ULAQ, in a anti-surface or anti-submarine or maybe even anti-air configuration?

P.S. I am not really hyped for this design. Ulaq's KAMA gives me more hope.

I also agree with this. To my untrained eye, it looks like a much less ambitious but much more effective design.

 

[Kaan Azman]

HAVELSAN loves keeping high expectations more than they should

On the other hand, KAMA and K-ALBATROS have a better ground beneath their feet. The latter has already started its trials.

Submersibility is surely a cool thing but it would be too painful for something very dynamic and short living like K-USVs