US military action around Venezuela

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And do you think Trump cares about the backlash? The way things are going, after stabilizing the situation in Venezuela, Trump is going to do regime change in Cuba and Colombia, and the next target might be the annexation of Greenland.
So,what do you think happens to article 5 of NATO or even NATO itsself?
The US would be declared a rogue state,no country would trust the US ever again.
The US bases in Europe would be closed etc.....
You think Trump wouldnt care?
 

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So,what do you think happens to article 5 of NATO or even NATO itsself?
The US would be declared a rogue state,no country would trust the US ever again.
The US bases in Europe would be closed etc.....
You think Trump wouldnt care?
Stop overhyping Europe. It doesn’t dare to take any real action.
Essentially, Europe is nothing more than a subordinate enforcer of the United States. The US can call the shots for Europe, but Europe has no say over the US
 

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Stop overhyping Europe. It doesn’t dare to take any real action.
Essentially, Europe is nothing more than a subordinate enforcer of the United States. The US can call the shots for Europe, but Europe has no say over the US
You know Türkiye officially is also in Europe and in NATO,right?
Nobody claimed Europe has a say over the US.
Europe wouldnt couldnt be neutral anymore,its not just about hard power.
You need to count Europe's soft power to.
And get off your high horse,dont act like you're the Einstein of the forum.
Change your tone,be cool and respectful,you are not talking to children here.
 

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Could you tell us what mood is in Denmark regarding US Grenland takeover plans
Mood is bleak. Danes know there is nothing they can do. The US can steamroll over Denmark. What baffles me is that the US already have a military base (Thule) on Greenland. So it must be because of the rare earth elements to break free of China. Otherwise, it makes no sense.

 

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So,what do you think happens to article 5 of NATO or even NATO itsself?
The US would be declared a rogue state,no country would trust the US ever again.
The US bases in Europe would be closed etc.....
You think Trump wouldnt care?

The backlash for taking Greenland would be huge, and this is why Trump has hesitated until now. But he is going for the easier targets first, like Venezuela and Iran, where the regimes are despicable and nobody will shed tears for them.

But if he succeeds in Venezuela, Iran, Cuba or even Colombia, he would normalize the use of force to achieve US interests, and the repeated silence from Europe on each of his aggressions would make it much harder for Europe to gather the support of others when they are the victims of aggression.

We’ve already seen with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine that more than half of the thirld world sympathies with Russia, just because they hate Europe, and they felt some sort of satisfaction that a European country is now the victim.

If Trump takes Greenland, many people from the thirld world will be happy that a civilized country like Denmark is abused in the same way poor countries have been abused in the past. This would be the first thing that divides the opposition to US aggression.

Russia and China would also feel emboldened by Trump’s annexation of Greenland, and would see it as a green light for them to take what they can, so they would not condemn it much, since it will play to their advantage.

The only ones who would be against it would be Europe, Canada and Australia. But the problem is that they can’t do much anout it, and Europe’s spineless leaders would only bark, and do nothing, as they always do.

Europe is divided, and half of the countries would think that going against the US is against their interests, so they would not support any serious retaliatory action.

Trump has Europe by the balls, with complete dominance with cloud, social media, search, communications, GPS, intelligence, military, etc. And on top of that, Europe is desperately clinging to the US market for its corporations, and they won’t have the courage to wage economic war against the US, because they don’t want more tariffs and interdicitons.

NATO would be ruined, and the cowardly European leaders would decry the loss of NATO more than the loss of Greenland.

I don’t see Europe doing anything more than condemnations and declarations of “concern”, because Europe has no real leaders, and Trump knows this.

Unfortunately I don’t think that Europe will close US bases on its territory, because the countries hosting them will try to find excuses and explanations why they are still necessary, and why the US is “protecting” them.

Too many spineless traitors in Europe to be able to oppose the US in any meaningful way. It’s not that Europe can’t do it, it’s that it has no unity and no leaders. If Europe had any backbone, Kaliningrad would not be Russian right now, and there would be no Russian “shadow fleet” selling oil. But European leaders always look for the less painful option, and it is always less painful to do nothing, instead of fighting back.

Look at the outcome of the tariff war. The EU surrendered to a 15% tariff with no retaliation, to avoid more damage. It will do the same when losing Greenland.
 

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‘Naked imperialism’: how Trump intervention in Venezuela is a return to form for the US​

Most of the Americas have suffered from interference from their powerful northern neighbour – and are usually the worse off for it
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An American M113 armoured personnel carrier on guard outside a laundry in Panama during the second day of Operation Just Cause in December 1989. Photograph: Pictorial Press Ltd/Alamy

The US bombardment of Venezuela and the capture of its president, Nicolás Maduro, follow a long history of interventions in South and Central America and the Caribbean over the past two centuries. But they also mark an unprecedented moment as the first direct US military attack on a South American country.

At a press conference after Maduro’s capture, Donald Trump said that “American dominance in the western hemisphere will never be questioned again”.

But since the mid-19th century, the US has intervened in its continental neighbours not only through economic pressure but also militarily, with a long list of invasions, occupations and, in the case most closely resembling the current situation, the capture of Panama’s dictator Manuel Noriega in 1989.
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US agents place chains around the waist of Panama’s then president Manuel Noriega onboard a C-130 transport plane on 4 January 1990. Photograph: AP

Covert actions helped topple democratically elected governments and usher in military dictatorships in countries such as Brazil, Chile and Argentina, but overt US military operations have historically been confined to closer neighbours in Central America and the Caribbean.


The first direct US military attack on a South American country “signals a major shift in foreign and defence policy – one that is made explicit in the new national security strategy published by the Trump administration a few weeks ago”, said Maurício Santoro, a professor of international relations at the State University of Rio de Janeiro.

That strategy called for an “expansion” of the US military presence in the region in what it describes as a “Trump corollary” to the Monroe doctrine – the “America for Americans” foreign policy set out in 1823 by President James Monroe and later used to justify US-backed military coups in South and Central America.


While Saturday’s action was “in line” with many past operations, it is “shocking because nothing like this has happened since 1989”, said Alan McPherson, a history professor at Temple University and author of A Short History of US Interventions in Latin America and the Caribbean.

“One might have thought that this era of naked imperialism – of the US getting the political outcomes it wants in Latin America through sheer military force – would be over in the 21st century, but clearly it is not,” he added.

Almost every country in the region has experienced some form of US intervention, overt or covert, in the past decades. Below are a few examples.

Mexico​

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A hand-coloured woodcut depicts Gen Winfield Scott leading US forces into Mexico City to end the Mexican-US war in 1847. Illustration: North Wind Picture Archives/Alamy

The annexation of Texas, a former Mexican territory, sparked border disputes that led to a US invasion of Mexico, with American troops occupying the capital, Mexico City, in 1847. The war ended only with the signing of a treaty in 1848 that forced Mexico to cede 55% of its territory – an area encompassing what are now the states of California, Nevada and Utah, as well as parts of Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming.

Cuba​

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Col Theodore Roosevelt and the Rough Riders after capturing Kettle Hill in Cuba in July 1898. Photograph: Alamy

In 1898, the US helped Cuba in its war of independence against Spain. After the victory, the US received control of Puerto Rico and occupied Cuba until 1902, when an agreement granted the US navy perpetual control of Guantánamo Bay. US troops later occupied the island in from 1906 to 1909 and again from 1917 to 1922. After Fidel Castro’s 1959 revolution, the CIA backed the failed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961 in an attempt to trigger an uprising.

Haiti​

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US marines board the USS Connecticut at Philadelphia’s League Island navy yard en route for Port-au-Prince, Haiti in 1915. Photograph: Bettmann Archive

Under the pretext of “stabilising” the country and protecting US business interests after domestic unrest that led to the repeated overthrow of Haitian leaders, the US invaded Haiti in 1915, taking control of customs, the treasury and the national bank until 1934. When an attempted rebellion threatened the dictator François “Papa Doc” Duvalier in 1959, the CIA worked behind the scenes to secure his survival, viewing him as an ally in containing the influence of Fidel Castro’s Cuban revolution.

Brazil​

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Brazil’s then president João Goulart (right) receives full military honours as he arrives for talks with President Kennedy. Lt Col Charles P Murray Jr is in the centre. Photograph: Bettmann/Bettmann Archive

Although it ultimately never intervened, a US naval taskforce was positioned off Brazil’s coast to intervene in case there was resistance to the military coup that overthrew the democratically elected leftwing president João Goulart in 1964. In the 1970s, the CIA and the FBI directly advised the repressive apparatus of dictatorships in countries such as Brazil, Chile and Argentina in the persecution and assassination of dissidents under what became known as Operation Condor.

Panama​

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Children cheer US marines during ‘Operation Just Cause’, when the US invaded Panama to remove Manuel Noriega in December 1989. Photograph: New York Daily News/Getty Images

The US militarily backed the separatist movement that led to Panama’s break from Colombia in 1903 and, after independence, Washington retained significant influence over the Central American country. In 1989, President George HW Bush ordered Panama’s invasion by about 27,000 US troops to capture the dictator Noriega – a former CIA ally who had been indicted on drug-trafficking charges in US courts.

Hours after the strikes, in which an estimated 200-500 civilians were killed, along with about 300 Panamanian soldiers, the US installed the declared winner of the election, Guillermo Endara, as president.

It remains unclear whether a similar outcome will follow in Venezuela, which Trump has said would be “run” by the US until a “proper transition can take place”.

McPherson said it is “very rare” for US interventions in the region to be followed by “peace, tranquillity, stability and democracy”.

“US interventions almost always create long-term problems of succession,” he added.

 

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After Maduro, who’s next? Trump’s comments spur anxieties about his plans for Greenland and Cuba​

WASHINGTON (AP) — A day after the audacious U.S. military operation in Venezuela, President Donald Trump on Sunday renewed his calls for an American takeover of the Danish territory of Greenland for the sake of U.S. security interests, while his top diplomat declared the communist government in Cuba is “in a lot of trouble.”

The comments from Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio after the ouster of Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro underscore that the U.S. administration is serious about taking a more expansive role in the Western Hemisphere.

With thinly veiled threats, Trump is rattling hemispheric friends and foes alike, spurring a pointed question around the globe: Who’s next?

“We do need Greenland, absolutely,” Trump said in an interview with The Atlantic in which he described the strategically located Arctic island as “surrounded by Russian and Chinese ships.”

Asked what the U.S.-military action in Venezuela could portend for Greenland, Trump replied: “They are going to have to view it themselves. I really don’t know.” The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

Trump, in his administration’s National Security Strategy published last month, laid out restoring “American preeminence in the Western Hemisphere” as a central guidepost for his second go-around in the White House.


This topic is not about Venezuela but also has relationship with the situation, so I post it here.
It is very clear that the purpose of Trump(or the whole US gorvement) is try to gain more benefits, including oil in Venezuela, or the rare earth in greenland.
By the way, Greenland is a crucial gateway to the Arctic route, and its status in the future will be akin to that of Gibraltar, perhaps that is another reason why some US leader is concentrate in this island.
 

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We will see a massive exodus from NNPT (non proliferation of nuclear weapons) treaty.
 
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Oh Haiti?
Let's see , the year when Haiti got the independence it was richer than USA. Of cours, besides killing all the whites, they killed all the Mullatos. Then they invaded Dominican republic.
20 years later, when the time for indemnities came about, the amount represented 30 years of Haiti exports that year, but the year it got free , it was only a year of export or 20% of GDP.
1871 France sold Haitian debt to the US banks. Of course, nothing was paid so USA invaded 1915 and took their money but built the infrastructure. Then from 1960 to 2020 , Haiti received about 21bn of grants?
I was there ( Haiti) and to say that they are animals is the insult to the animals.
On just not so bad example. My associate at that time, an Indian guy was making an absolute killing, selling Coca Cola, Pepsi wasn't good enough to pour over the genitalias , after sex in order to prevent AIDS.
As of Cuba, well Cuba before Castro was maybe the best well off countries in the Latin America, since Castro it is just subsidiary. Half of their exports are criminals.
Etc etc
Oh I forgot, in Dominican Republic, there was USA installed dictator Truhijjo , if I write this correctly, accused by the Commies for the various so called Imperial crimes, well I can tell you, Dominican Republic is paradise with lovely people. In Dominican Republic, there is only " We are Domenicans" not that Afro American shit and etc
 

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Germany is next. We know the last US Security Report. Regime change is loading. Hahah
 

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