US sanctions NATO ally Turkey over purchase of Russian missile defense system

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WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Monday imposed sanctions on its NATO ally Turkey over its purchase of a Russian air defense system, in a striking move against a longtime partner that sets the stage for further confrontation between the two nations as President-elect Joe Biden prepares to take office.
The extraordinary step against a treaty ally comes at a delicate time in relations between Washington and Ankara, which have been at odds for years over Turkey’s acquisition from Russia of the S-400 missile defense system, along with Turkish actions in Syria, the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan and in the eastern Mediterranean.
The sanctions, which were required under U.S. law dating to 2017 if the administration deemed there to be violations, add another element of uncertainty to the relationship as Trump winds down his term. The move is the first time that law, known as CAATSA, has been used to penalize a U.S. ally.
Prior to Monday, the U.S. had kicked Turkey out of its F-35 stealth fighterdevelopment and training program over the S-400 purchase, but had taken no further steps despite persistent warnings from American officials who have long complained about that the system is incompatible with NATO equipment and a potential threat to allied security.
“The United States made clear to Turkey at the highest levels and on numerous occasions that its purchase of the S-400 system would endanger the security of U.S. military technology and personnel and provide substantial funds to Russia’s defense sector, as well as Russian access to the Turkish armed forces and defense industry,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said.


“Turkey nevertheless decided to move ahead with the procurement and testing of the S-400, despite the availability of alternative, NATO-interoperable systems to meet its defense requirements,” he said in a statement.
“I urge Turkey to resolve the S-400 problem immediately in coordination with the United States,” he said. “Turkey is a valued ally and an important regional security partner for the United States, and we seek to continue our decades-long history of productive defense-sector cooperation by removing the obstacle of Turkey’s S-400 possession as soon as possible.”
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Turkey’s foreign ministry said in a statement it “condemns and rejects” the U.S. sanctions, saying Washington’s one-sided sanctions were beyond understanding.
“Turkey will take the necessary steps against this decision, which will inevitably affect our relations in a negative way, and reciprocate in a way and time it sees fit,” the statement said.
The statement repeated Turkey’s claim that the S-400s would not affect NATO systems.


The ministry called on the U.S. to “turn back as soon as possible from this bad mistake,” adding that Ankara was ready for dialogue and diplomacy.
The sanctions target Turkey’s Presidency of Defense Industries, the country’s military procurement agency, its chief Ismail Demir and three other senior officials. The penalties block any assets the four officials may have in U.S. jurisdictions and bar their entry into the U.S. They also include a ban on most export licenses, loans and credits to the agency.
The administration had held off on imposing punitive sanctions outside of the fighter program for months, in part to give Turkish officials time to reconsider deploying it and, some suspect, due to President Donald Trump’s personal relationship with Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
However, in past months Turkey has moved ahead with testing of the system drawing criticism from Congress and others who have demanded the sanctions be imposed under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, or CAATSA, which mandates penalties for transactions deemed harmful to U.S. interests.
Coming just weeks before Biden assumes office, the sanctions pose a potential dilemma for the incoming administration, although the president-elect’s team has signaled it is opposed to Turkey’s use of the S-400 and the disunity within NATO it may cause.

“We very much regret that this has been necessary,” said Chris Ford, one of the State Department’s most senior arms control officials.
“Imposing sanctions on a NATO ally is not something we take lightly,” said Matthew Palmer, a senior official in the State Department’s Bureau of European Affairs.
Last month, Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said Turkey was prepared to discuss with the U.S. its “anxiety” over the interoperability of the S-400s and the F-35s. The U.S. reacted cooly to the suggestion and Pompeo shortly thereafter pointedly did not meet with any Turkish government officials on a visit to Istanbul.
Turkey tested the missile defense system in October for the first time, drawing a condemnation from the Pentagon.
Ankara says it was forced to buy the Russian system because the U.S. refused to sell it American-made Patriot missiles. The Turkish government has also pointed to what it considers a double standard, as NATO member Greece uses Russian-made missiles.

 

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I think Nothing will be effected more than what have already been effected before. US and Europe have already been implementing a hidden embargo to our programs so we couldn’t purchase US drones, spare parts, engine licences. The production of Our Altay and Firtina howitzers were halted. Philippines and Pakistan have been still waiting export licence of US engine to take delivery of T-129 helicopters. Atak Deal with Turkmenistan couldn’t materialize because of US embargo. Azerbaijan signed deal for T-155 Firtina howitzers but they couldn’t take delivery. Construction of first I class frigate was consciously slowed down to fix some problems. I mean Turkey has already been challenging with these embargos for a while and making preperations so we have been developing almost all kind of powerplants. If you check the changing specifications of Tf-X (21m-19m length) and Hürjet(17000lbf-19000lbf), One can realise that Officials have been evaluating different options based on western attitudes. The last JV deal that we signed with Ukraine was about establishment of marine propulsion institute. This institute will replace the US based propulsion units that I class and Tf-2000 will have. TS-1400 and TS-3000 will replace LHTEC and T700 class turboshaft engines on helicopters. Almost every week, Aselsan is announcing a new foreign part that was developed with domestic institutes. What I mean we didn’t have much different situation bfore US agreed to implement CAATSA. They didn’t give a proper response to our licence request before and They made it official with this bill now. Don’t believe on the people who is trying to create a “worst case” scenarios like “we’re finished” for Turkish defence industry. We didn’t start this journey with US permission so US moaning can never finish us. These attitudes will trigger our ambitious more and we will take more sure steps to implement our ambitious plans.
 

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These are simple tactics produced by US. They have been applying same tactics when they want to target a state. If it is about a weak state which is in their target, they use “bringing democracy” stories to implement their plans. If It is about a rising regional/global power that has started to pose a threat to US regional plans and technological superiority in some export markets, They produce “Western Block’s security, leakage of sensitive informations” stories to punish the rival. They are targetting not only rising countries but also institutes that has taken a giant step in tech maturty against some US institutes working in same area. Huawei is a good example. S-400 is just a tool they have been using to make their plans official. Turkey is not the first country that have been operating Russian SAM systems in NATO. We are talking about a state that is letting a state like UAE to purchase F35 fighters but implementing embargo to Turkey who is investing to F35 as a partner since 2000s. UAE is a state sponsoring the terorism with oil money and funding Russian wagner in different geographies and made some weapon deals with N. Korea and Russia as well. Imagine the pathetic situation hypocrite policies of US reached. They can’t exploit the billions of $ Turkish money in one item like they are doing with gulf states so they are trying to adjust the relations by giving punishment in this way.
 

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Definitely not under Biden; plus India isn't a NATO member. With Trump though you never know.
I think CAATSA applies to every country and every military purchases made over $10 million, yet application of it is at will of US so nothing to worry about as long as you are politically aligned with them or serving a purpose for US (against a threat) in the region.
 

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Ankara says it was forced to buy the Russian system because the U.S. refused to sell it American-made Patriot missiles. The Turkish government has also pointed to what it considers a double standard, as NATO member Greece uses Russian-made missiles.
There are some, non-ally who buys Russian-Chinese equipment, countries which FMS is approved even before their request to buy, while Turkey ,as an ally, constantly requested Patriots which even not passed to the stage of FMS approval.
This alone describes it is not about S400, there were already a hidden embargo which prevented high-tech novel weapons from being sold to Turkey, this is just legalization of it by the excuse of S400.
It is not first for US to use these hidden embargo, Turkey has faced these in 90s and 2000s which both resulted in a shift with ITAR free European solutions.
 

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it seems that immediate response from turkey would be blockade of all nato decisions in future, from my pov it is legitimate and clever action, create more mess to solve first one and copy paste of usa modus operandi.
 
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That would be counterproductive. We’d be hurting allies that had nothing to do Caatsa. We can however convene YAS and do threat assesment on USA regarding Syria and move them to a new category, dubious ally. Restrict US navy sailing through Istanbul strait. 1 vessel at a time in black sea.
 

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That would be counterproductive. We’d be hurting allies that had nothing to do Caatsa. We can however convene YAS and do threat assesment on USA regarding Syria and move them to a new category, dubious ally. Restrict US navy sailing through Istanbul strait. 1 vessel at a time in black sea.
i think they are in same pot, altough different situations but at the end you are in some dispute with majority of nato countries.
 

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i think they are in same pot, altough different situations but at the end you are in some dispute with majority of nato countries.
It has always been like that. And nothing is going to change that. US is not fighting a war or feeding terrorists on their borders, but ours.

Just like how Greece/GC gets what they want because their only problem is with Turkey. They can block anything in EU in exchange for anything against Turkey.

KRG in Iraq is complaining about YPG now. I think TSK should contact Iraq and KRG and establish some joint communication line. Where we could support with UAV strikes against PKK and YPG.

Breaking YPG hold on N.Syria would be perfect.
 

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Cabatlı is right. These sanctions aren't really new obstacles or a significant change from existing US policies w.r.t. Turkey's defense sector. To me, this seems more like making official what was already the US policy towards Turkey.
 

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It has always been like that. And nothing is going to change that. US is not fighting a war or feeding terrorists on their borders, but ours.

Just like how Greece/GC gets what they want because their only problem is with Turkey. They can block anything in EU in exchange for anything against Turkey.

KRG in Iraq is complaining about YPG now. I think TSK should contact Iraq and KRG and establish some joint communication line. Where we could support with UAV strikes against PKK and YPG.

Breaking YPG hold on N.Syria would be perfect.
what would be even more perfect is creating new currency for islamic world under turkey initiative, for start it could be crypto one, i think the time is right, lot of countries would follow. internalize matters as much as you can and you will be less exposed to the moves like this.
 

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Cabatlı is right. These sanctions aren't really new obstacles or a significant change from existing US policies w.r.t. Turkey's defense sector. To me, this seems more like making official what was already the US policy towards Turkey.
Exactly!
YOU are MY bitch. You can’t go and buy stuff from my enemy.
That is what it boils down to I’m afraid!
Have an army strong enough to be on my side when a major war breaks out ; and I can replenish you with all the necessary equipment you know how to use, quickly when that need arises. But you can not be strong enough to be a hindrance to me or Israel in the area. DO AS YOU ARE TOLD!!
Well enough is enough!
But as we are not economically independent, it is not easy to show the US the two fingers! This whole thing has to be another very good wake up call.
 

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As a short term plan, It is correct time to replace the sections which subjects to this sanctions so we should find an alternative source from Europe. If European states don’t give us what we need, then our cooperation with Russian or Chinese institutes should be encouraged until domestic equivalents will be revealed. In mid term, I think we won’t need any US or Russian products including propulsion systems.
 
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It is like they want to lose contracts in the future by creating another competitor that can provide sophisticated military products..
 

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