Live Conflict Wagner coup attempt in Russia

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I know it's very hypothetical and fanciful to say this at this stage, but worst case scenario: If Russia is divided into 3 parts, the crapiest of them will be our neighbors. We have such a curse on our fu*king geography.
 

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I know it's very hypothetical and fanciful to say this at this stage, but worst case scenario: If Russia is divided into 3 parts, the crapiest of them will be our neighbors. We have such a curse on our fu*king geography.

What was meant to be a 3 day war, a quick annexation of Ukraine. Just over a year later and we are looking at civil war and talking about balkanisation of russia being a real possibility.

Putins name will enter the shit bin of history. From 4d chess, to a colossal loser/failure. His failure in Ukraine may have turned into something talked about hundreds of years from now.
 

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Unfortunately, we were caught on one leg. We don't seem to be prepared for this possibility. Yet there are great geopolitical and military opportunities. If the Turkish economy had not been so battered, 2023 would have been a much better time to start building a power center.
 

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opolitical and military opportunities. If the Turkish economy had not been so battered, 2023 would have been a much better time to start building a power center.

You would have thought Turkish intelligence (hakan fidan) would have been communicating with all regional heads in russia for this potential possibility of disintegration. But no, as always with erdogan its a wait and see approach and then do next to nothing.
 

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Prigozhin responded to Putin's statement



Prigozhin is outraged that "ammunition, weapons, all the money put on them are stolen" in Russia.


The founder of the Wagner PMC said that "he is not going to turn himself in at the request of the president, the FSB or anyone else."



The head of PMC Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, responded to a video message from the head of the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin. According to the Russian businessman, "no one will give up." This is evidenced by Prigozhin's audio message on the PMC's Telegram channel.

"The president is wrong about the betrayal of the motherland. We are patriots of our motherland, we fought and are fighting. All the fighters of the Wagner PMC. And no one is going to turn themselves in at the request of the president, the FSB or anyone else. We do not want the country to live further in corruption, deceit and bureaucracy...

When we were told that we were at war with Ukraine, we went and fought. But it turned out that ammunition, weapons, all the money put on them are stolen, and bureaucrats save them for themselves just for the case that has come today, when someone goes to Moscow," he stressed.
 

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What was meant to be a 3 day war, a quick annexation of Ukraine. Just over a year later and we are looking at civil war and talking about balkanisation of russia being a real possibility.

Putins name will enter the shit bin of history. From 4d chess, to a colossal loser/failure. His failure in Ukraine may have turned into something talked about hundreds of years from now.
IMO, Putin has been manipulated very successfully. (Maybe this was also the aim of the cliques within Russia, that's another discussion)

If Putin had won this war, he would have been the greatest leader in Russian history. Contrary to popular belief, he is not a difficult man, he is not wise at all. In fact, a careful analysis of the changes in the brain trust over the last 10 years will make it easier to see the boiling cauldron inside. Putin has become increasingly isolated, or rather, he has been surrounded by a shell by a cadre of sycophants. While corruption in the army was unbelievable size, the reports were foamed about Army's situation on Ukraine intervention, the West's counter-measures in this Ukrainian adventure are blatant but ignored. Later, as the war continued, there were many face-saving efforts, but they did not heal the wound. There is one thing the Russian state is very good at, information-management and PSYOP, but when it goes beyond propaganda and psychological operations and the chips are down to the bone, the truth has a habit of coming out. Putin will pay the price for this. He took a gamble with a high risk-reward ratio, or rather he was decieved into it. It seems to have lost that gamble. I'm not talking about Wagner, the Russian army may be able to figure it out in a few weeks, I don't know man. I mean, the big gamble, that is -make Russia great again- has failed with a big socio-economic and psychological blow.
 

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Zelensky made the statement about the background of the events in Russia




The weakness of the Russian Federation is obvious, Putin masked it with propaganda for a long time, but now you can't hide it, the Ukrainian leader said.






President Volodymyr Zelenskyi responded in Telegram to the mutiny of Wagner PMC mercenaries against the Russian authorities. The head of state said that currently Russia's weakness is obvious.



"Everyone who chooses the path of evil - destroys himself. He sends columns of soldiers to destroy the lives of another country - and cannot stop them from fleeing and betraying when life resists.
He terrorizes with rockets, and when they are shot down - he humiliates himself to give "Shahedis ".
He despises people and throws hundreds of thousands into the war - in order to eventually barricade himself in the Moscow region from those whom he himself armed," he said.





According to Zelenskyi, "Russia has for a long time masked its weakness and the stupidity of its government with propaganda. And now there is so much chaos that you cannot hide it with any lies. And all this is one person who again and again scares the year 1917, although nothing else at all unable to lead".



"Russia's weakness is obvious. Full-scale weakness. And the longer Russia keeps its troops and mercenaries on our land, the more chaos, pain and problems it will have for itself later. This is also obvious. Ukraine is capable of protecting Europe from the spread of Russian evil and chaos." - said the president.



The President called on Ukrainians to maintain strength, unity and strength.

According to him, all Ukrainian commanders and soldiers "know what to do."
 

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