Live Conflict War in Afghanistan

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Do you ever think before you post? Using Israeli media as referance on Pakistan or Gwadar [the correspondant is probably Indian] is like using Armenian media as referance for Turkish issues or [on the presemuption your a Indonesian] a Timorese referance when you lot were having problem with them.

First of all, it's the content you should be looking at. Haaretz is more informative than the daily dose of troll post here that you will need to understand.

that's why READING is important.

the piece is written by a Pakistani, here from the links
Kunwar Khuldune Shahid is a Pakistan-based journalist and a correspondent at The Diplomat.


he got a point for example:

Islamabad’s advertising of its own significance might even be a soft whisper towards China, which has increasingly asserted economic control over Pakistan, but was recently given a painful reminder of the jihadist threat from within Pakistan looming over the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, the spine of Beijing’s much touted Belt and Road Initiative.

While the U.S. withdrawal left China to deal with a jihadist regime, armed with arsenal worth millions, Pakistan will struggle to bleed Beijing the way it did Washington.
Thanks to territorial contiguity, and an autocratic, neoliberal diplomacy that puts modern-day Western imperialism in the shade, China can micromanage its interests in Pakistan, leaving little margin for double play.

But for all Pakistan’s noisy attempt to claim ownership over access to the Taliban and Afghanistan, it can’t compete with Beijing’s economic attractions, on which the survival of the new Kabul regime depends.

Ps: I'm largerly ok with OZ and East Timor opinion on Indonesia, in fact 90% of the time.
 

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he got a point for example:

Islamabad’s advertising of its own significance might even be a soft whisper towards China, which has increasingly asserted economic control over Pakistan, but was recently given a painful reminder of the jihadist threat from within Pakistan looming over the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, the spine of Beijing’s much touted Belt and Road Initiative.

While the U.S. withdrawal left China to deal with a jihadist regime, armed with arsenal worth millions, Pakistan will struggle to bleed Beijing the way it did Washington.
Thanks to territorial contiguity, and an autocratic, neoliberal diplomacy that puts modern-day Western imperialism in the shade, China can micromanage its interests in Pakistan, leaving little margin for double play.

But for all Pakistan’s noisy attempt to claim ownership over access to the Taliban and Afghanistan, it can’t compete with Beijing’s economic attractions, on which the survival of the new Kabul regime depends.

adding here, that means whatever sacrifice Pakistan has to offer in the last 20 years, be it material or lives, it's foreign powers like China who will reap the maximum (if not all) the benefits of having a new government in Afghanistan.

So yeah, save me the "prosperity will flow like river" or "regional actors and regional cooperation" concepts that some members here had been promoting back then.

They clearly don't know sh*t they've been talking.
 

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Someone should tell the Taliban in Pakistan to change their name....to help the Taliban fanboys in this thread (and other places).

 

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You can't.

Many pundits believed that US retreat from Vietnam and the subsequent collapse of the RVN as a proof of a defeated and declining America back in '75.

That's proven not to be the case.

In Afghanistan they neither won nor they lose.

The mission in brutal terms was largely punitive one in relation to 9/11.

i.e to both punish as many of the perpetrators (ASAP) and then reduce as far as possible AFG's (and relevant neighbours too given abbotabad) potential to harbour elements that could plan and project such terrorist attacks internationally (and especially on US and its allies).

That was overall a success for these couple decades (especially compared to the hypothetical where the US opted not to and AFG remained a 2000s era taliban safe haven for Al-Q et al.).

How much of failure is something to be charted going forwards (in relation to the mission goal)....along with any further US+Western response to it at that point.

This is outside of the cost analysis and the conflation with "nation building" objective that was secondary+tertiary (and IMO was absurdly handled in many regards along with the nature of the withdrawal itself). Those are separate subjects to get into.
 

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You have to learn & believe
the exact meaning of Al-Qur'an.
Firstly, are you a Muslim?
If not, I don't want to waste time explaining it.
Thank you. ☺️
 

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Grapevine is that taliban, s position in panjshir r getting pounded from air...

Take it with salt at the moment but....
 

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That's the problem...with people.. He shud be thankful for saving his life and being able to restart life but than propoganda matters more.... This is what brain washing does to you.... And those comments... 🪦 🪦

And I never understood this tendency to put Islam everywhere... Religion is very personal thing IMO... Infact, He shud be great ful to be able to survive the terrorists...
 

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