Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Umigami]

I got many friends from Russian circle , well arms business in Indonesia sometimes must get through those people....

It is hard

how is it after this Russo-Ukraine war?
it's almost impossible to get russian big tickets now.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501497592445911040

China copas strikes again,
Pantesan dipajang pake pesawat mirage

 

[FPXAllen]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501497592445911040

China copas strikes again,
Pantesan dipajang pake pesawat mirage

It's Japanese though.

 

[R4duga]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501497592445911040

China copas strikes again,
Pantesan dipajang pake pesawat mirage

french are known to give alot of transfer technology to china, Z-9(AS365) , Z-8 & Z-18 (Super Frelon) , type 210 100mm naval gun, HQ-7(Crotale).

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[R4duga]

It's Japanese though.

this is japanese supersonic anti ship missile ASM-3

 

[schuimpjes]

This's very common and nothing new. The most notorious of all is actually Arab Saudi with billions to spend for donation and scholarship to Indonesian religious schools such as pesantren, madrasah etc. to build classrooms, mosques.

Do you know Islamic Center that's usually available in each town or university? Yes, those are mostly funded by such donations.

That's how they maintain their image and influence to public despite bombing and killing children left and right in another Islamic/majority Islamic country such as Yemen.

Now UEA, Iran & Turkey also started doing the same thing to counter Arab Saudi influences in Indonesia.

But i think Saudi official stance is very different with politically active Islamists here. That kind of people are more like Sahwa in Saudi.

 

[FPXAllen]

this is japanese supersonic anti ship missile ASM-3
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No, I meant that the text in the quoted tweet is Japanese

 

[HellFireIndo]

- Clausewitz, On War

The reason I always disagree with the exagerrated fearmongering of an imagined Chinese invasion

Key points to consider from this military classic (specifically regarding Intelligence):

- "....the effect of fear is to multiply lies and inaccuracies."

- " As a rule most men would rather believe bad news than good news and rather tend to exaggerate the bad news"

- "...better make it a rule to suppress his personal convictions, and give hopes and not his fear the benefit of the doubt."

 

[R4duga]

brits should have sent some of their starstreak HVM to ukraine, and see if they're working as advertised, since most of the video i see that russian chopper use to spam chaff and flares during assault, the SACLOS of starstreak would render such countermeasures ineffective.

Welp

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501543775700762633

 

[NEKO]

Do you see this shit peko?

Durasi 2 jam ditonton 3 juta kali. Sadly, they just enjoyed this kind of thing.

Ini sih ATM si pemilik channel yg terisi sendiri.

Sayangnya jumlah dislike gak kelihatan lagi jadinya konten sampah merajalela.

 

[Madokafc]

Comrade Mao disapprove

 

[Madokafc]

Erdogan met with Israel PM

 

[Lordimperator]

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Erdogan met with Israel PM

Kita kapan yach?
Eh itu bukannya presiden israel ya? Pmnya Naftali

 

[NEKO]

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Comrade Mao disapprove

Russia got more balls than US.

 

[San.geuk]

kinda dissappoint to prof hikmahanto in helmy yahya youtube podcast about ukraine and russia, he sees russian invasion just an act of politional action in some part of ukraine, that is sick thinking even from well know person like him, he know ukraine is sovereign nation but tend to defend russian agression by bringing history of two nation in the past, altought he try sees it from 2 side perspective but in sublime he's just a pro putin, not a pro russian people with human being sent as cannon fodder, he seems forgot who is doing the first initiative, even he's talk about east timor is misleading, what a joke from a guy who called as as a profesor

 

[Umigami]

kinda dissappoint to prof hikmahanto in helmy yahya youtube podcast about ukraine and russia, he sees russian invasion just an act of politional action in some part of ukraine, that is sick thinking even from well know person like him, he know ukraine is sovereign nation but tend to defend russian agression by bringing history of two nation in the past, altought he try sees it from 2 side perspective but in sublime he's just a pro putin, not a pro russian people with human being sent as cannon fodder, he seems forgot who is doing the first initiative, even he's talk about east timor is misleading, what a joke from a guy who called as as a profesor

Hmmm... yeah. Turn out it's true that Russian got UI huh.

Then tell him not to get angry about SCS because it's (claimed to be) chinese traditional fishing ground for hundreds year.

 

[Madokafc]

kinda dissappoint to prof hikmahanto in helmy yahya youtube podcast about ukraine and russia, he sees russian invasion just an act of politional action in some part of ukraine, that is sick thinking even from well know person like him, he know ukraine is sovereign nation but tend to defend russian agression by bringing history of two nation in the past, altought he try sees it from 2 side perspective but in sublime he's just a pro putin, not a pro russian people with human being sent as cannon fodder, he seems forgot who is doing the first initiative, even he's talk about east timor is misleading, what a joke from a guy who called as as a profesor

Well there is article before why Indonesian people especially for students and lecturer even decision maker in the upper position is more leaned toward Russian in this case, that's was Russian soft power victory

 

[Madokafc]

I hope we can spending more money to lobbying political party and US senator along with Jewish lobby (AIPAC), this would give us dividen in future

 

[HellFireIndo]

kinda dissappoint to prof hikmahanto in helmy yahya youtube podcast about ukraine and russia, he sees russian invasion just an act of politional action in some part of ukraine, that is sick thinking even from well know person like him, he know ukraine is sovereign nation but tend to defend russian agression by bringing history of two nation in the past, altought he try sees it from 2 side perspective but in sublime he's just a pro putin, not a pro russian people with human being sent as cannon fodder, he seems forgot who is doing the first initiative, even he's talk about east timor is misleading, what a joke from a guy who called as as a profesor

Well apparently most lecturers in Indonesia are also pro-Russia, so the Hikma guy case is not an isolated example.

I can somewhat explain the reason behind such attitude: 1. Russia is generally more popular among Indonesians, so there is a tendency to support Russia, 2. Russian Invasion reminds us of the East Timor invasion, in which the Russian situation is similar to that of Indonesia.

What Russia did to Ukraine is similar who what we did in East Timor, we invade them "out of necessity". Even if officials agree that Russia's invasion is unjustified, condemning Russia openly will also make us look hypocritical. That is why at first our officials were in dilemma and slow to support Ukraine, probably trying to be neutral at first. It's because if Russia's military initiative cannot be morally defended, so do ours in East Timor and Papua.

 

[Madokafc]

Well apparently most lecturers in Indonesia are also pro-Russia, so the Hikma guy case is not an isolated example.

I can somewhat explain the reason behind such attitude: 1. Russia is generally more popular among Indonesians, so there is a tendency to support Russia, 2. Russian Invasion reminds us of the East Timor invasion, in which the Russian situation is similar to that of Indonesia.

What Russia did to Ukraine is similar who what we did in East Timor, we invade them "out of necessity". Even if officials agree that Russia's invasion is unjustified, condemning Russia openly will also make us look hypocritical. That is why at first our officials were in dilemma and slow to support Ukraine, probably trying to be neutral at first. It's because if Russia's military initiative cannot be morally defended, so do ours in East Timor and Papua.

Papua? East Timor? Papua is ex Dutch Colonial territory and they are rightfully ours and had been recognized by the UN itself. Papua is not a question anymore you should weighing it into your minds

East Timor? We are in our conscience and in full awareness recognized they are being invaded and incorporated into our territory by illegal way, then we are got severe backlash after that and in return offered them with referendum in which East Timor got their independence. AND THEY ARE ALREADY IN THE PAST. And Indonesian government already regret about the invasion

To Made lenient reaction toward Russian invasion today would opened a more terrifying Pandora box in near future. Countries with very large economies and military power such as USA, France, UK Saudi, India and China would have more confidence to invaded other countries and justified it according to their own agenda