Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Van Kravchenko]

Saya sendiri percaya seseorang tidak bisa melakukan a, b, c untuk membayar 'tiket masuk ke surga', itu beda lagi urusannya, tapi entahlah jika ada yang percaya demikian. Lalu saya rasa di surga tidak ada kawin, karena secara logika fungsi kawin adalah untuk membuat anak, dan tidak ada gunanya kawin di surga.

Pendapat saya sih motivasi perang itu terlepas dari doktrin agama. Misalnya, Prancis dan Uni Soviet dulu tidak berprinsip Ketuhanan, tapi besar semangat perangnya. Jadi ada faktor morale yang independen dari pengaruh agama.

Masalahnya sejauh sejarah bangsa ini berjalan motivasi berperang paling sering dan paling mencolok adalah soal agama. Simbol simbol dan motivasi agama kuat mengakar sebagai motivasi berperang selain patriotisme. Landmark kejayaan peradaban kerajaan di Indonesia pada zaman dahulu juga selalu bercorak agama hingga motiv serangan mongol ke jawa juga ada sangkut pautnya dengan agama.
Apapun doktrin perangnya, semangat untuk mencapai sesuatu itu tetep perlu apapun bentuknya. Cuma di Indonesia selain patriotisme, semangat keagamaan juga memberikan kontibusi yg besar.

Dari saya sendiri jujur heran sih masih ada orang tolol yang membenturkan agama dan nasionalisme


Ya masalahnya orang Soviet, Chino, Korea, Jepang, Eropa dulu itu ga kenal yang namanya agama, kenal kenal baru mendekati abad pertengahan jadi mau bermotiv agama juga konyol wkwk

 

[RadenSudirman]

 

[Lordimperator]

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[chibiyabi]

Rencana bangun KFX/IFX 80 pesawat apakah jadi?

jadi, tapi nyicil R & D nya pke duit receh hahahahahahaha

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590504801208438784

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590504801208438784

Presiden Rusia Putin Dipastikan Tak Hadiri KTT G20 Bali

Presiden Rusia Vladimir Putin dipastikan tak menghadiri KTT G20 di Bali pada 15-16 November.

www.cnnindonesia.com

 

[Madokafc]

Presiden Rusia Putin Dipastikan Tak Hadiri KTT G20 Bali

Presiden Rusia Vladimir Putin dipastikan tak menghadiri KTT G20 di Bali pada 15-16 November.

www.cnnindonesia.com

So he is prefer to be cozy in his bunker, compared to his never absen attending previous G20, G8 meeting before

 

[Cromwell]

Presiden Rusia Putin Dipastikan Tak Hadiri KTT G20 Bali

Presiden Rusia Vladimir Putin dipastikan tak menghadiri KTT G20 di Bali pada 15-16 November.

www.cnnindonesia.com

I can imagine, must've been awkward for him to meet Biden, Macron, Olaf, etc better for him to avoid the event also his absence ease our burden as a host

 

[NEKO]

So he is prefer to be cozy in his bunker, compared to his never absen attending previous G20, G8 meeting before

Well their military is almost collapsing, if he is out of the country for long who know what will happen in Moscow.

*Ampun bang jago.mp3 (the official coup anthem) playing in the background.

 

[chibiyabi]

I can imagine, must've been awkward for him to meet Biden, Macron, Olaf, etc better for him to avoid the event also his absence ease our burden as a host

Dan Prime minister berkata, terimakasih Tuhan, G20 masih akan diwarnai tawa dan keceriaan

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590527181272535043

 

[Umigami]

Dan Prime minister berkata, terimakasih Tuhan, G20 masih akan diwarnai tawa dan keceriaan

Rusia tetap bakal ada utusannya berikut dengan ocehan ocehan mereka

 

[NEKO]

jadi, tapi nyicil R & D nya pke duit receh hahahahahahaha

Katanya mau bikin banyak pandur disini -> ?
Katanya mau bikin banyak bushmaster disini -> ?
Katanya mau bikin Anoa 3 -> langsung di axed trus pake desain luar.
Katanya mau bikin drone MALE -> gak terbang.
Katanya mau bikin KFX/IFX -> ?
dll dsb.

 

[chibiyabi]

Rusia tetap bakal ada utusannya berikut dengan ocehan ocehan mereka

ya gpp si lavrov mah anggap ganjelan pintu aja hahahahaha

 

[chibiyabi]

Katanya mau bikin banyak pandur disini -> ?
Katanya mau bikin banyak bushmaster disini -> ?
Katanya mau bikin Anoa 3 -> langsung di axed trus pake desain luar.
Katanya mau bikin drone MALE -> gak terbang.
Katanya mau bikin KFX/IFX -> ?
dll dsb.

kata siapa

 

[Lordimperator]

Well their military is almost collapsing, if he is out of the country for long who know what will happen in Moscow.

*Ampun bang jago.mp3 (the official coup anthem) playing in the background.

like Leonid removed Nikita

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590527181272535043

kasihan admin harus nunggu sampai berganti hari wkwk

 

[Parry Brima]

I can imagine, must've been awkward for him to meet Biden, Macron, Olaf, etc better for him to avoid the event also his absence ease our burden as a host

He doesn't care about them. He's avoiding bukoni, who will without a doubt, bugging him for pictures.

 

[RadenSudirman]

Well their military is almost collapsing, if he is out of the country for long who know what will happen in Moscow.

*Ampun bang jago.mp3 (the official coup anthem) playing in the background.

We'll see if they gonna pull their classic winter comeback thing. I mean the Soviet Union lost like 2 million+ soldiers in the early phase of Barbarossa, yet was able to push back later with larger force somehow. I think Putin now is trying to force a WW1-style grind and stalemate to keep his annexed provinces.

 

[NEKO]

In today's age and technology losing 2million+ soldier will be known through the country, surely there will cause disturbance.
Not to mention that their invasion of Ukraine is not that popular move.
Very different with when they fought against the moustache guy, they are defending their country and have huge morale.