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[Madokafc]

invasion over Ukraine by Russia More or less look like Soviet invasion over Poland second republic after WW I Instead. This one is unpopular war too, the justification is almost the same, with Soviet claims Poland is Russian Empire land, meanwhile Ukraine is part of Soviet Union for current Russian view.

The Russian already battered very badly, 1400 MBT already lost, over 3000 of various type of armored vehicles already lost, not to mention artillery and various major weaponry like helicopters, fighter and even their Black Sea flagship, Moscwa is already lost. That's only material loss, while human resource loss is very staggering, for country with minus population growth is already hard blow. While there is mass Exodus of able body man to avoid Forced conscription, the Russian losses there is need years just to revert back to their original points.

 

[Madokafc]

In today's age and technology losing 2million+ soldier will be known through the country, surely there will cause disturbance.
Not to mention that their invasion of Ukraine is not that popular move.
Very different with when they fought against the moustache guy, they are defending their country and have huge morale.

Current Russia can't afford such losses anymore. Grey animal is indeed cheap for any Kremlin rulers, but not with already mass Exodus of Russian male of today.

 

[Lordimperator]

the Russian losses there is need years just to revert back to their original points.

It would be funny if they become PRC vassal state.

 

[NEKO]

invasion over Ukraine by Russia More or less look like Soviet invasion over Poland second republic after WW I Instead. This one is unpopular war too, the justification is almost the same, with Soviet claims Poland is Russian Empire land, meanwhile Ukraine is part of Soviet Union for current Russian view.

The Russian already battered very badly, 1400 MBT already lost, over 3000 of various type of armored vehicles already lost, not to mention artillery and various major weaponry like helicopters, fighter and even their Black Sea flagship, Moscwa is already lost. That's only material loss, while human resource loss is very staggering, for country with minus population growth is already hard blow. While there is mass Exodus of able body man to avoid Forced conscription, the Russian losses there is need years just to revert back to their original points.

Their armored vehicles that is lost in this war is more than what we currently have.

 

[Madokafc]

Their armored vehicles that is lost in this war is more than what we currently have.

Such losses made many people in the highest ranks of our Armed Forces and MoD questioning the reliability and effectiveness of Russian/Soviet Made armor stuff.

 

[Synders]

I kinda hope Russia will lose badly that make PRC switch their target to the north instead on SCS...
Kinda like Imperial Japan switch their target from Russia to Asean on WW2...
Though it probably just empty dream as PRC see Taiwan as main target..,

 

[Lordimperator]

questioning the reliability and effectiveness of Russian/Soviet Made armor stuff.

Marine : yikes

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590680996101652482

 

[RadenSudirman]

In today's age and technology losing 2million+ soldier will be known through the country, surely there will cause disturbance.
Not to mention that their invasion of Ukraine is not that popular move.
Very different with when they fought against the moustache guy, they are defending their country and have huge morale.

It could be closer to the situation of WW1 or the Winter War, probably Winter War if you ask me, setbacks and failure to achieve major gain, but the political status quo didn't collapse due to the failures.

The Russian already battered very badly, 1400 MBT already lost, over 3000 of various type of armored vehicles already lost, not to mention artillery and various major weaponry like helicopters, fighter and even their Black Sea flagship, Moscwa is already lost. That's only material loss, while human resource loss is very staggering, for country with minus population growth is already hard blow. While there is mass Exodus of able body man to avoid Forced conscription, the Russian losses there is need years just to revert back to their original points.

The armament lost and Putin's reaction is something I take notice of much more than the military casualty. The Russians can just throw conscripts one after another, their lives don't matter for an autocrat like Putin, there are millions of them peasants and it is hardly the first time they had a situation like this. Even if the Russian population is no longer as robust, they are still Russians after all, they have always been what they are, and they will do the same thing, as usual, trying to outnumber their enemy in a war.

Russia is and was always a serf-based authoritarian country, led by authoritarian men with forced labor subjects. The Tsar was overthrown by these 'peasants', only to be replaced by Communists who were just as bad if not worse. Sure they modernized Russia, but at the cost of the lives of millions of Russian peasants. Millions of lives are nothing for the Russian ruler, his interest is above all.

 

[RadenSudirman]

Marine : yikes

The Marines should 'westernize' as soon as possible. Pandur + ZAHA combo are good replacements for the eastern hardwares I think. Oh, and they should get more choppers, like the S-70/ Blackhawk.

 

[NEKO]

Sure they modernized Russia, but at the cost of the lives of millions of Russian peasants. Millions of lives are nothing for the Russian ruler, his interest is above all.

I know another country that is also like this in the past, not sure about now.

 

[Madokafc]

I know another country that is also like this in the past, not sure about now.

Looking at their increasingly aware of human resource potensial chance they are slightly better in this regard

 

[RadenSudirman]

I know another country that is also like this in the past, not sure about now.

Looking at their increasingly aware of human resource potensial chance they are slightly better in this regard

Many countries were like that in the past, but the 2 big boys of the eastern bloc were the biggest perpetrators.

I think Chinese citizens are more politically opinionated and engaging than Russians nowadays, maybe it is the effect of capitalism? My personal observation about Chinese people is their openness to ideas and willingness to learn from the best (to avenge humiliation). But that's for the educated free citizens, CCP is another business.

China's weakness is the CCP politics, I predict if China wants to invade Southeast Asia after Taiwan, they will send their worst generals and politicians and reserve the best to go against US forces in Pacific-East Asia. While they're at it PLA officers will file fake reports to please CCP, and they will not be motivated to seriously wage war against SEA, probably only want to go home ASAP.

If in any possibility China invades countries in Asia, once they experience difficulty or even get defeated and withdraw, the backlash against CCP will be a major one.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590606701635698688

 

[Nilgiri]

Talking about dongfeng reminds me of a member from the north in the past that can't stop talking about dongfeng, dongfeng this dongfeng that, you will get dongfeng'd by dongfeng, their dongfeng is better than indian dongfeng, their dongfeng have 5 mega ton of dongfeng, their dongfeng is the best dongfeng among other dongfeng in the world of dongfeng.

Like chill bro, we know you have dongfeng no need to be crazy about it.

I like the part where he said dongfeng.

 

[Madokafc]

let chills out for a while

 

[Umigami]

Dengar-dengar gerakan rusia mundur dari kherson berantakan ya?
Banyak yang tewas dan terjebak?

 

[Cromwell]

If we have anything interesting to look at

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Dengar-dengar gerakan rusia mundur dari kherson berantakan ya?
Banyak yang tewas dan terjebak?

Ngapain tu mereka kok mundur ?

Belum ada kabar pasti sih sebab mereka mundur, entah bosen berperang atau indomie mereka abis.

Padal Russland sedang dalam posisi diatas kan ya?

 

[Lordimperator]

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If we have anything interesting to look at

F22 udah dipensiunin aja, armadanya tambah sedikit . E3 bekas?