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Several weeks ago, French suffering some riots and mass demonstration accross the country.

For ignorant noobs, they would like to comment: loook, lol, France is not Stable, their country is suffering from injustice, riots happened, their country would collapse soon.

For, the people who know French political sitrep and know some history about French : just another days in France, i just hope they don't export Revolution anymore. Hey boy get me my bagel !!!
 

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Several weeks ago, French suffering some riots and mass demonstration accross the country.

For ignorant noobs, they would like to comment: loook, lol, France is not Stable, their country is suffering from injustice, riots happened, their country would collapse soon.

For, the people who know French political sitrep and know some history about French : just another days in France, i just hope they don't export Revolution anymore. Hey boy get me my bagel !!!
Kan dulu pernah kita bahas itu.

Tanggapan gw cuma: They are French.
 

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Rafale, Su 27/30, F-16 A/B/C/D, F-16 Viper block 70, Mirage 2000-5/9, T-50i, Hawk 109/209, F-15 EX and KF-21.

Just looking at this long list i know that we got one of the most diverse fleets ever at some points in near future. Can't imagine if they are not retired those F-5 Tiger and A-4 Skyhawk, and Instead upgrade them just like Thailand and Argentina those must be a sight to behold.
Actually India is very diverse buy till now they didnt have American fighter.

Maybe the Egyptian, but egyptian didnt have korean fighter

1981, when he was trained by west Germany SOF GSG 9 for contra terrorism as first deputy commander of satgultor 81 with with Prime Minister
Also opung luhut is trained in Germany by GSG9 maybe he also know or understand Germans little bit.
cooperation between turkish company Fly Bvlos (JACKAL Drone) with Thales UK demonstrating firing of Martlet missile using octocopter jackal platform

the turks development on unmanned aerial platform are fascinating, they might aswell make this stuff into reality either cooperating with skunkworks or northrop counterparts.
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Just think their recent kizilelma, it is like a alternative of wingman programs. If Turks can reentry F35 prgram and integrated the F35 with their own... very imaginable
 

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Several weeks ago, French suffering some riots and mass demonstration accross the country.

For ignorant noobs, they would like to comment: loook, lol, France is not Stable, their country is suffering from injustice, riots happened, their country would collapse soon.

For, the people who know French political sitrep and know some history about French : just another days in France, i just hope they don't export Revolution anymore. Hey boy get me my bagel !!!

Kan dulu pernah kita bahas itu.

Tanggapan gw cuma: They are French.
Di banding Indonesia sekalipun baik demonstran maupun riot police di sana lebih 'kreatif' dan 'raja tega' :D
 

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though it has a potential to be an double edge sword.
 

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Di banding Indonesia sekalipun baik demonstran maupun riot police di sana lebih 'kreatif' dan 'raja tega' :D

Meski setiap demonstrasi dan kerusuhan di Prancis dan Indonesia punya banyak faktor yang berbeda, dan idealnya dianalisa per kasus, tapi umumnya korban jiwa di Prancis jauh lebih sedikit dibanding kerusuhan di Indonesia.

Kerusuhan melibatkan aparat di Indonesia terakhir yang menonjol dengan korban jiwa relatif banyak:
1. Wamena-Papua Februari 2023, 10 korban jiwa.
2. Kanjuruhan-Malang Oktober 2022, 134 korban jiwa.
3. #ReformasiDikorupsi September 2019, 5 korban jiwa.
4. Bawaslu-Jakarta Mei 2019, 6 korban jiwa.

Secara keseluruhan, IMO kapasitas aparat di Indonesia dalam menangani kerusuhan dan pengendalian massa sudah jauh meningkat lebih baik dari tahun-tahun sebelumnya. Seiring dengan meningkatnya perlengkapan, wawasan, kemampuan, dan political will aparat. Termasuk jika dibanding negara-negara di kawasan.

Jika melihat tingkat kriminalitas, indeks Indonesia lebih baik dibanding Prancis. Tapi penduduk korban kejahatan di Indonesia yang melaporkan ke polisi masih rendah, jarang melebihi 25%. Ini menunjukkan tingkat kepercayaan penduduk Indonesia pada polisi masih relatif rendah.
 

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Lebih mudah malahan kalau TNI lawan musuh konvensional/ milisi yang ngajak open battle. Contoh: Operasi Seroja, 20.000 milisi fretilin di pesisir bukan masalah besar untuk dikalahkan, hanya saja menjadi ribet ketika mereka naik gunung dan masuk semak belukar.

Mengejar pengecut yang bersembunyi di semak belukar, tidak membuktikan apa-apa secara militer, ibarat seseorang menguji kekuatan dengan memegang belut, ya gak relevan. Mereka lepas karena licin dan licik, bukan karena kuat.
 

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This is hillarious 🤣🤣 love to see the husband progress and actually the wifey is fall in love with the gun, God bless America





 

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Gimana jadinya kalo Indonesia ditawarkan seluruh armada Mirage 2000 punya UAE, ini setelah tawaran mereka ke Maroko dan Mesir ada masalah politik akhir akhir ini? ada sekitar 60an termasuk varian recce? ambil gak? Kalo termasuk ambil yang 12 unit punya Qatar Indonesia bakal operasikan sekitar 70an unit Mirage 2000 berbagai macam varian.

Well, ditambah 12 unit Viper plus 42 Rafale. Angkatan Udara Indonesia bakalan punya taring kok.
 

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Gimana jadinya kalo Indonesia ditawarkan seluruh armada Mirage 2000 punya UAE, ini setelah tawaran mereka ke Maroko dan Mesir ada masalah politik akhir akhir ini? ada sekitar 60an termasuk varian recce? ambil gak? Kalo termasuk ambil yang 12 unit punya Qatar Indonesia bakal operasikan sekitar 70an unit Mirage 2000 berbagai macam varian.

Well, ditambah 12 unit Viper plus 42 Rafale. Angkatan Udara Indonesia bakalan punya taring kok.
Mirage 2K second jam terbangnya sisa berapa om?

Btw, kalau semuanya kejadian berarti harus nyaru 100+ pilot pespur baru (bisa kurang kalau Mirage 2K jadi dan sebagian diparkir buat sucad aja), talent pool nya ada kah?
 

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Mirage 2K second jam terbangnya sisa berapa om?

Btw, kalau semuanya kejadian berarti harus nyaru 100+ pilot pespur baru (bisa kurang kalau Mirage 2K jadi dan sebagian diparkir buat sucad aja), talent pool nya ada kah?

At some points there Will be more fighter and other type of aircraft than the pilots including ground crew units, Air Force also already ordered bunch of transport aircraft , trainer aircraft and helicopters. Just a repeat of early sixty situation. But to me it is still a happy problem though 😁
 

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ada sekitar 60an termasuk varian recce? ambil gak? Kalo termasuk ambil yang 12 unit punya Qatar Indonesia bakal operasikan sekitar 70an unit Mirage 2000 berbagai macam varian.
Ya tapi itu pespur yg teknologinya udah mentok dan gak bisa diimprove secara signifikan lagi.

Mungkin gak bisa dipakai lama juga...
 

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Gimana jadinya kalo Indonesia ditawarkan seluruh armada Mirage 2000 punya UAE, ini setelah tawaran mereka ke Maroko dan Mesir ada masalah politik akhir akhir ini? ada sekitar 60an termasuk varian recce? ambil gak? Kalo termasuk ambil yang 12 unit punya Qatar Indonesia bakal operasikan sekitar 70an unit Mirage 2000 berbagai macam varian.

Well, ditambah 12 unit Viper plus 42 Rafale. Angkatan Udara Indonesia bakalan punya taring kok.
Mereka beli Mirage 2k juga sebenarnya kelihatannya lebih kepada ada kebutuhan yg perlu segera ditambal aja.
 

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Mereka beli Mirage 2k juga sebenarnya kelihatannya lebih kepada ada kebutuhan yg perlu segera ditambal aja.

Pegimane, dari jamannya pak Poernomo Yusgiantoro aja udah nyebut Indonesia butuh 180 fighter generasi empat ke atas, tapi nyatanya Ampe sekarang kan cuma ada 33 F-16 plus 16 Su 27/30. Tambah 42 Rafale juga masih dibawah 100 itu. Tambah 12 atau lebih F16 Viper juga masih jauh, kalo jadi ambil Mirage 2000 punya Qatar sama Emirates ya baru mepet mepet aja buat nambal kebutuhan. Knp muncul angka 180 ya itu baru minimal requirement buat ngisi 10 skuadron, yang nanti dibagi menjadi tiga area pertahanan udara
 

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Ya tapi itu pespur yg teknologinya udah mentok dan gak bisa diimprove secara signifikan lagi.

Mungkin gak bisa dipakai lama juga...

Mentok ya tergantung ngeliatnya dan niatnya kok, Pakistan punya Mirage III yang lebih jadoel aja asal ada niat bisa diupgrade kok.
 

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