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Duhh, F-16 already has a ton of combat resume, no need to prove anything.
This time is David-Goliath situation. Situation where air superiority cannot be guaranteed.

Against the best eastern block can bring.
 

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“Another example concerns the procurement of fighter jets. While the TNI proposed F-16s, Prabowo chose French jet Rafale from Dassault instead. The source says Prabowo has in fact built a closer relationship with French arms producers like Naval Group and Dassault.

Another source says Prabowo doesn’t have any personal problem with Yudo and there is no tension between them. However, the source stated Prabowo objects to the TNI Law revision because it would reduce the Defense Ministry’s power.”


About who’s idea is it, Tenggara Strategics stated like this,

“The idea to revise Law No. 3/2004 on the Indonesian Military (TNI Law) emerged after a presentation document from the TNI’s legal division widely circulated. Sources said the proposals did come from the TNI headquarters, not the Defense Ministry.”

The didn’t cited the source, but Tenggara Strategics of Jakarta Post and Universitas Prasmul is for sure gonna be responsible about it for the sake of credibility.
 

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While the TNI proposed F-16s, Prabowo chose French jet Rafale from Dassault instead. The source says Prabowo has in fact built a closer relationship with French arms producers like Naval Group and Dassault.
Based on these words, what i can see is TNI is in the position that they can only bow down to the MoD. I’m more in favor of the power they have, both the MoD and TNI are shared, but only in the matter of defense. More than that, it looks like ‘the military has the country’, not ‘country has the military’.
 

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“Another example concerns the procurement of fighter jets. While the TNI proposed F-16s, Prabowo chose French jet Rafale from Dassault instead. The source says Prabowo has in fact built a closer relationship with French arms producers like Naval Group and Dassault.
Well, can't say it was a bad choice though
 

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Well, can't say it was a bad choice though
Not bad, but when you have this kind of situation, all things very top-down, the decisions made gonna be what is best for the MoD, not the military. Yes, civilian leadership is a must and have to be preserves, but the decisions made have to be for the best of the military, not only what the best for the MoD. Don’t also put that fully to the military for they would be too strong without anyone checks and balance them.

I’m not talking just about the fighter jets tho, but any other things to come too, not just about alutsista also.
 

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Sesi foto formal bersama G7 sekarang aku rasa lumayan bikin kaget, you know, positioning urutan kepala negara itu kaya soft signal, menentukan seberapa penting dia bagi negara host, semakin dekat semakin penting ato istimewa.

Terus Pak Dhe datengnya terakhir dan tiba tiba ke tengah disamping PM Kishida, kesannya spesial spesial gimana gitu.
 

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Sesi foto formal bersama G7 sekarang aku rasa lumayan bikin kaget, you know, positioning urutan kepala negara itu kaya soft signal, menentukan seberapa penting dia bagi negara host, semakin dekat semakin penting ato istimewa.

Terus Pak Dhe datengnya terakhir dan tiba tiba ke tengah disamping PM Kishida, kesannya spesial spesial gimana gitu.

Pada G7 Summit 2023 kali ini, Jokowi diundang karena kapasitasnya sebagai Ketua ASEAN. Taon lalu juga diundang ke G7 Summit 2022 dengan kapasitas sebagai Ketua G20 dan juga berposisi persis tengah depan pada sesi family photo, tapi Kamboja sebagai Ketua ASEAN 2022 tidak diundang.


Jangan diseriusin dan dibaperin. Seharusnya Mak Nyak (MN) lebih keras lagi njitak petugas partainya (JKW).

MN : Wi, mana bombernye??!! Mana kapal penjelajahnye???!! Borong dong!!!

JKW : Eeee.... hmmm...

MN : Bangke lo, Wi. Meriam udah kakek-kakek masih dipiara aje!!! Why??!! Why??!!!

JKW : Borong dari Rusia lagi, Mak?

MN : Iya, ane tau.


Catatan:
- tidak semua petugas menjalankan semua tugas yang telah ditugaskan.
 

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