Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Gary]

The Chinese answer to the so called 'Goddess of Democracy' I guess?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784137358625108231

For reference;

 

[schuimpjes]

The Chinese answer to the so called 'Goddess of Democracy' I guess?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784137358625108231

For reference;

Making college campuses as hostages and bargain chips for certain demand is (insert_name) behavior.

But I admit, these are milder than took airplane passengers as hostages and bargain chip like PLO back then tho.

Talking about in favor of authoritarianism, if you live in China, maybe they gonna put you to their reeducation camp without clear reason but their vonis of you are an ETIM sympathizer. You can only bow to them, be under their heels of untransparent and unaccountable (as it should) authoritarian government. That’s the perks of autocracies that you like, right?

 

[Gary]

Making college campuses as hostages and bargain chips for certain demand is (insert_name) behavior.

Well, that's democracy for you. You preach it, be ready for it when demonstrators don't voice your will.

But I admit, these are milder than took airplane passengers as hostages and bargain chip like PLO back then tho.

A lot better than taking hostage an entire city I guess ?

200 bus routes cancelled as Hong Kong pro-democracy protest intensifies

London, Sep 29 (ANI): Thousands of people protesting against China's decision to vet candidates in Hong Kong's 2017 elections have refused to budge from the government complex in Hong Kong for another day, despite appeals to leave, a report said.

malaysia.news.yahoo.com

Talking about in favor of authoritarianism, if you live in China, maybe they gonna put you to their reeducation camp without clear reason but their vonis of you are an ETIM sympathizer. You can only bow to them, be under their heels of untransparent and unaccountable (as it should) authoritarian government. That’s the perks of autocracies that you like, right?

Rule #1 in international politics, there's no such thing as good or bad let alone authoritarianism.

Countries react to events and escalate accordingly towards their perceived threat. For the Chinese having a million or so potential foreign agent like the one we see in Hong Kong, demand Beijing to crack down on protests forcibly. For the U.S., the mere sit down while chanting the shout 'free Palestine' and 'from the river to the sea' demands the U.S. to deploy the national guard + snipers on top of buildings + excess use of physical force.

So there's no such thing as 'free' or 'authoritarian' society. The actions of a country will depend on the issue and situation. And what they perceive as a redline will be guaranteed different.

The U.S. and the West spent billions trying to portray democracy as the only option, For them democracy = good = civilized = deserve support, even though it has nothing to do with such. Thank god events around the world are proving this wrong, democracy as we can see is no different than any secular political system that comes out from the West (Fascism, Socialism, Communism, etc). It's just they're so good at cosmetics.

 

[schuimpjes]

Well, that's democracy for you. You preach it, be ready for it when demonstrators don't voice your will.


A lot better than taking hostage an entire city I guess ?

200 bus routes cancelled as Hong Kong pro-democracy protest intensifies

London, Sep 29 (ANI): Thousands of people protesting against China's decision to vet candidates in Hong Kong's 2017 elections have refused to budge from the government complex in Hong Kong for another day, despite appeals to leave, a report said.

malaysia.news.yahoo.com

Rule #1 in international politics, there's no such thing as good or bad let alone authoritarianism.

Countries react to events and escalate accordingly towards their perceived threat. For the Chinese having a million or so potential foreign agent like the one we see in Hong Kong, demand Beijing to crack down on protests forcibly. For the U.S., the mere sit down while chanting the shout 'free Palestine' and 'from the river to the sea' demands the U.S. to deploy the national guard + snipers on top of buildings + excess use of physical force.

So there's no such thing as 'free' or 'authoritarian' society. The actions of a country will depend on the issue and situation. And what they perceive as a redline will be guaranteed different.

The U.S. and the West spent billions trying to portray democracy as the only option, For them democracy = good = civilized = deserve support, even though it has nothing to do with such. Thank god events around the world are proving this wrong, democracy as we can see is no different than any secular political system that comes out from the West (Fascism, Socialism, Communism, etc). It's just they're so good at cosmetics.

Okay then. Now get back yearning and bootlicking authoritarian governments

 

[Gary]

Okay then. Now get back yearning and bootlicking authoritarian governments

I mean if you don't mind...lol

 

[satria]

menyala abangku

 

[satria]

Kemenhan teken kontrak Rp2,24 triliun beli produk dalam negeri

Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemenhan) menandatangani kontrak senilai Rp2,24 triliun untuk membeli produk dalam negeri pada pelaksanaan pameran Business Matching ...

www.antaranews.com

Pindad dapet gede 1,9 Trilliun, dapet apa aja ya ?

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784815444467343600

 

[Umigami]

Kemenhan teken kontrak Rp2,24 triliun beli produk dalam negeri

Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemenhan) menandatangani kontrak senilai Rp2,24 triliun untuk membeli produk dalam negeri pada pelaksanaan pameran Business Matching ...

www.antaranews.com

Pindad dapet gede 1,9 Trilliun, dapet apa aja ya ?

More riffle, ammo, rantis, 122mm rocket ?

 

[satria]

 

[Gary]

Well, that's democracy for you. You preach it, be ready for it when demonstrators don't voice your will.


A lot better than taking hostage an entire city I guess ?

200 bus routes cancelled as Hong Kong pro-democracy protest intensifies

London, Sep 29 (ANI): Thousands of people protesting against China's decision to vet candidates in Hong Kong's 2017 elections have refused to budge from the government complex in Hong Kong for another day, despite appeals to leave, a report said.

malaysia.news.yahoo.com

Rule #1 in international politics, there's no such thing as good or bad let alone authoritarianism.

Countries react to events and escalate accordingly towards their perceived threat. For the Chinese having a million or so potential foreign agent like the one we see in Hong Kong, demand Beijing to crack down on protests forcibly. For the U.S., the mere sit down while chanting the shout 'free Palestine' and 'from the river to the sea' demands the U.S. to deploy the national guard + snipers on top of buildings + excess use of physical force.

So there's no such thing as 'free' or 'authoritarian' society. The actions of a country will depend on the issue and situation. And what they perceive as a redline will be guaranteed different.

The U.S. and the West spent billions trying to portray democracy as the only option, For them democracy = good = civilized = deserve support, even though it has nothing to do with such. Thank god events around the world are proving this wrong, democracy as we can see is no different than any secular political system that comes out from the West (Fascism, Socialism, Communism, etc). It's just they're so good at cosmetics.

When I wrote this I'm expecting our resident 'freedom and democracy' guy to come at me so that I could publicly massacre his argument the same way Mearsheimer massacre Piers. too bad he backed down

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784799219712155686

 

[NEKO]

Defender of freedom and democracy.
Defender of national interest.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785038738692993530

Ada yg tahu siluet kapal belakangnya AB?

 

[chibiyabi]

updatenya 5 tahun sekali

 

[schuimpjes]

When I wrote this I'm expecting our resident 'freedom and democracy' guy to come at me so that I could publicly massacre his argument the same way Mearsheimer massacre Piers. too bad he backed down

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784799219712155686

He answered with words like “look at the history, did US stand for democracy? They even did backed the coups of democratically elected governments”.

The mentality during the Cold War was kind of like mentality toward Gulf autocrats right now, better autocrats rule those countries than the alternatives. Gulf kingdoms are dilemmas.

MBZ explained his leverage,
“Prince Mohammed has long argued that the Arab world is not ready for democracy. Islamists would win any elections.

‘In any Muslim country, you will see the same result,’ he said in a 2007 meeting with American officials. “The Middle East is not California.”

The Most Powerful Arab Ruler Isn’t M.B.S. It’s M.B.Z. (Published 2019)

Prince Mohammed bin Zayed expanded the U.A.E.’s power by following America’s lead. He now has an increasingly bellicose agenda of his own. And President Trump seems to be following him.

www.nytimes.com

Example of his move against the US, backing Sisi to deposed democratically elected Mubarak* because he was from Muslim Brotherhood,

“Then came the Arab Spring. The United States had supported the Egyptian president, Hosni Mubarak, and autocrats like him for decades, and had treated the Brotherhood as dangerous fanatics. Yet when the Brotherhood’s Mohammed Morsi was elected president of Egypt in 2012, the Obama administration accepted the result. M.B.Z. did not. By early 2013, the U.A.E. was backing Tamarod, the swelling popular movement against Morsi. Vast demonstrations against Morsi took place on June 30, followed by his ouster by the military on July 3, which brought Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, the military chief, to power.

The U.A.E. and its gulf allies instantly pledged billions of dollars in support to the new government. Emirati officials have maintained a discreet silence about their role, but all the diplomats I spoke with believe the U.A.E. approached Sisi and outlined the terms of their financial support before Morsi’s overthrow. “I think there’s every reason to believe he staged a coup,” I was told by one former diplomat. “For a tiny country in the Persian Gulf to overthrow the ruler of Egypt and put their guy in, that’s a big achievement.”

Mohammed bin Zayed’s Dark Vision of the Middle East’s Future (Published 2020)

The enigmatic leader of the U.A.E. may soon emerge as the region’s most powerful figure. What does he really want?

www.nytimes.com

Edit:
Sorry, Morsi not Mubarak

 

[Gary]

He answered with words like “look at the history, did US stand for democracy? They even did backed the coups of democratically elected governments”.

The mentality during the Cold War was kind of like mentality toward Gulf autocrats right now, better autocrats rule those countries than the alternatives. Gulf kingdoms are dilemmas.

MBZ explained his leverage,
“Prince Mohammed has long argued that the Arab world is not ready for democracy. Islamists would win any elections.

‘In any Muslim country, you will see the same result,’ he said in a 2007 meeting with American officials. “The Middle East is not California.”

The Most Powerful Arab Ruler Isn’t M.B.S. It’s M.B.Z. (Published 2019)

Prince Mohammed bin Zayed expanded the U.A.E.’s power by following America’s lead. He now has an increasingly bellicose agenda of his own. And President Trump seems to be following him.

www.nytimes.com

In short, democracy only works if we get to control the outcome, if we know the winner is not the people of our liking there should be no democracy whatsoever. Not only that we will do our outmost to overturn the result. Pretty much sums up these "freedom and democracy' proponents.

And people think that this is what an honest and open society who put the willingness of the people look like.

John Mearsheimer really know how to clown this kind of people

 

[satria]

Impact of the Middle East Conflict, PT Pindad's Revenue Increases to Rp. 25.8 T

 

[NEKO]

PH got bullied again.

 

[Gary]

The SDB failed to Russian EW even though the U.S has access previously to Russian EW equipment captured by Ukraine in 2022.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785043832360325489

 

[Gary]

The SDB failed to Russian EW even though the U.S has access previously to Russian EW equipment captured by Ukraine in 2022.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785043832360325489

Bebo is of course biased towards Russia. Here's the original article by Defense One

Another US precision-guided weapon falls prey to Russian electronic warfare, US says

A U.S. defense official would not provide specifics, but is likely referring to Boeing’s Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb.

www.defenseone.com

new ground-launched version of an air-to-ground weapon developed for Ukraine on a rapid timeline failed to hit targets in part because of Russian electro-magnetic warfare, Bill LaPlante, the Pentagon's acquisition chief, said at an event held by think tank CSIS.

LaPlante suggested that Ukraine may no longer be interested in the weapon. “When you send something to people in the fight of their lives that just doesn’t work, they’ll try it three times and they’ll just throw it aside,” said LaPlante.

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The weapon LaPlante is referring to is very likely the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB) based on his description, according to Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.