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Turkey should do the same
If these people go to Turkey bad news for Pakistan. Most of these will be Pakistan haters and will spread their venom in Turkey - one of the few countries on earth where the name 'Pakistan' recieves a positive response.

The wave of Afghans who will and have gone to USA will be source of anti-Pakistan animus for generations - similiar to how the Armenian diaspora are source of toxic venom against Turkey.

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Taliban made a big mistake by not taking care of warlords like Dostum, Ismail. They will give some heavy blows to Taliban if they return with some promises of western allies.
 

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Taliban can forget USSR invention but they will never forgive Dostum. We can all agree on that.
Yes, indeed. Afghanistan has seen lot savagery - in 1980s Mujihadeen would often skin alive Soviet Russian troops. Dostum then was a red communist fighting for Mother Russia. After fall of Taliban and 2001 Dostum leashed hell and this is recorded. He murdered Taliban prisoners by locking them in containers like sardines in a can. There was uproar from human rights groups but all this was rinsed once he agreed to work with NUG and Americans.

On good note 90% of Af-Pak border is now fenced. Rest will be fenced by year end. work has also began on the Iranian border.

 
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Yes, indeed. Afghanistan has seen lot savagery - in 1980s Mujihadeen would often skin alive Soviet Russian troops. Dostum then was a red communist fighting for Mother Russia. After fall of Taliban and 2001 Dostum leashed hell and this is recorded. He murdered Taliban prisoners by locking them in containers like sardines in a can. There was uproar from human rights groups but all this was rinsed once he agreed to work with NUG and Americans.

On good note 90% of Af-Pak border is now fenced. Rest will be fenced by year end. work has also began on the Iranian border.

As usual Geopolitics is void of emotional sentiments but cold hard interests many Pakistani observers dont view it through that lens but from the prism of of "religous" volition that the Taliban is fighting some sort of "Jihad" against the US when its leadership met and dined with that fat POS Pompeo a well known Muslim Hater or meeting recently with atheist Chinese "Communists" in Beijing recently calling China a "friendly" nation again nothing against that the key Taliban leadership has matured being in exile in Qatar for 2 decades have molded them somewhat into the modern world their PR guy Suhail Shaheen does he is magic with PR and understanding of the outside world to a extent only concerned are the low iq fighters as the movement is decentralized big drawback. Now back to Dostum he was given exile by the Turks so many times the Turks see him as a interest holder in Afghanistan also another small friction between Ankara,Islamabad and the Taliban leadership
 
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If these people go to Turkey bad news for Pakistan. Most of these will be Pakistan haters and will spread their venom in Turkey - one of the few countries on earth where the name 'Pakistan' recieves a positive response.

The wave of Afghans who will and have gone to USA will be source of anti-Pakistan animus for generations - similiar to how the Armenian diaspora are source of toxic venom against Turkey.

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Which is what the US wants they want to cultivate a diaspora of Afghans ready to serve soft power for US interests
 

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Turks see him as a interest holder in Afghanistan also another small friction between Ankara,Islamabad and the Taliban leadership
I trust Turkey and Pakistan along with Uzbekistan will mediate any issues arising around Dostum or Uzbeks or other Turkic elements. Call him what you want at least he is not a Indian proxy.

Ps. PM Imran Khan has built up a good relationship with Uzbek president.

The biggest pain in the proverbial are the Panjshiri Tajiks like Amrulla Saleh. They are Indian proxies. Amrulla along with his buddies tailed it to Pakistan in 1980s and trained in Mujihadeen camps to fight the Soviet backed Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. Of course he did not complain about Pakistan being a sponsor of terrorism or proxies then because he was one of them.
 
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I trust Turkety and Pakistan along with Uzbekistan will mediate any issues arising around Dostum or Uzbeks or other Turkic elements. Call him what you want at least he is not a Indian proxy.

The biggest pain in the proverbial are the Panjshiri Tajiks like Amrulla Saleh. They are Indian proxies. Amrulla along with his buddies tailed it to Pakistan in 1980s and trained in Mujihadeen camps to fight the Soviet backed Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. Of course he did not complain about Pakistan being a sponsor of terrorism or proxies then because he was one of them.
I do hope so but this is Afghanistan diplomacy aside there is just too much grudge between the groups I am cautiously optimistic but in ideal world someone like Dostum should have been hanged decades ago but alas might as well wait till the afterlife
 
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The biggest pain in the proverbial are the Panjshiri Tajiks like Amrulla Saleh. They are Indian proxies. Amrulla along with his buddies tailed it to Pakistan in 1980s and trained in Mujihadeen camps to fight the Soviet backed Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. Of course he did not complain about Pakistan being a sponsor of terrorism or proxies then because he was one of them.

This is the perfect example of "Somoza being our bitch"(refering to US backed Latin American dictator") no one in Afghanistan is ideal all are terrible Islamists 95 percent of them are that some pose as "liberal democracy" warriors or "women rights" defenders but this is to please the skeptical American public but game is over no one buys it so I hate it when Pakistan gets blamed for "supporting" the Taliban when it lacks a choice who to side with and its not like India supports LGBTQZ rights defenders anyways
 

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August 3, 2021 4:32PM EDT

Afghanistan: Advancing Taliban Execute Detainees​

Police, Civil Servants Detained Incommunicado in Ghazni, Malistan, Kandahar

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An Afghan security personnel stands guard along a road in Kandahar on July 14, 2021. © 2021 by Javed Tanveer/AFP via Getty Images

(New York) – Taliban forces advancing in Ghazni, Kandahar, and other Afghan provinces have summarily executed detained soldiers, police, and civilians with alleged ties to the Afghan government, Human Rights Watch said today.
Residents from various provinces told Human Rights Watch that Taliban forces have in areas they enter, apparently identify residents who worked for the Afghan National Security Forces. They require former police and military personnel to register with them and provide a document purportedly guaranteeing their safety. However, the Taliban have later detained some of these people incommunicado and, in cases reported to Human Rights Watch, summarily executed them.
“Summarily executing anyone in custody, whether a civilian or combatant, is a serious violation of the Geneva Conventions and a war crime,” said Patricia Gossman, associate Asia director. “Taliban commanders with oversight over such atrocities are also responsible for war crimes.”
A journalist from Malistan who has been tracking detentions there since Taliban forces took control of the district on July 13 said that they entered houses searching for members of the security forces and government employees:
“They claimed that they would not hurt anyone and they encouraged people to inform those who have escaped from the area to come back to their houses. In practice, they have acted differently. They search houses and, in some cases, even show photos of government employees, asking for their location.”
He said that the Taliban had killed at least 19 security force personnel in their custody, along with a number of civilians. Taliban fighters also burned down the house of Abdul Hakim Shujoyi, a former militia commander who had worked with US forces. Human Rights Watch was unable to confirm the exact numbers killed there.
Human Rights Watch obtained a list of 44 men from Spin Boldak, Kandahar, whom the Taliban have allegedly killed since July 16. All had registered with the Taliban before being summarily executed. Waheedullah, a police commander from Spin Boldak, had obtained a “forgiveness” letter from the Taliban, but Taliban fighters took him from his house and executed him on August 2, activists and media monitoring these detentions in Kandahar said.
Ghazni residents said that Taliban forces entered their neighborhoods on July 11, after Afghan government forces withdrew from the city. Taliban forces then searched house-to-house, apparently to identify residents who had worked for the provincial or district government or security forces. They took into custody dozens of residents, some of whom were later released after being compelled to provide assurances they would not cooperate with the government. Human Rights Watch could not confirm the status or whereabouts of those not released.
A resident of Naw Abad district said that when Taliban forces arrived in his area, they announced it through the local mosques’ loudspeakers:
“They said that the area is under their control, and they are celebrating their victory, that people should obey them. They said that government employees, except the military, should come to get a letter which is valid for 10 days and no one would be able to hurt them if they have that. They must renew the letter every 10 days.”
He said the Taliban established checkpoints around the city, and on July 13 they stopped him and two relatives and ordered them to come for questioning.
“They took us to a place and when they didn’t find anything on the other two, they released them,” he said. “They forced me to open my Facebook [account] and they saw my posts, my regular contact with a friend [who works for the government] and some of my pictures with army soldiers. Then they transferred me to another place and referred me to their intelligence department. They said I would only be released if I gave them any weapons I had.”
The Taliban released the man on July 19 after local community leaders gave assurances that he was not a government employee or had any connection with the military. But on July 30, Taliban fighters again came to his house and took him away without explanation. The family said they have no information about his whereabouts.
International humanitarian law prohibits detaining civilians unless absolutely necessary for imperative security reasons. Retaliatory detentions are a form of collective punishment and are also prohibited. The International Criminal Court (ICC) is currently investigating allegations of war crimes and serious human rights abuses by all parties to the conflict, including the Taliban.
“Taliban forces need to recognize that in new areas under their authority, they are obligated to ensure that all civilians are protected,” Gossman said.

 

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This is the perfect example of "Somoza being our bitch"(refering to US backed Latin American dictator") no one in Afghanistan is ideal all are terrible Islamists 95 percent of them are that some pose as "liberal democracy" warriors or "women rights" defenders but this is to please the skeptical American public but game is over no one buys it so I hate it when Pakistan gets blamed for "supporting" the Taliban when it lacks a choice who to side with and its not like India supports LGBTQZ rights defenders anyways
One of the greatest mistakes made by Pakistan was being involved in the 1979-89 jihad against Soviet Russia. I sometimes wonder how Demoractic Republic of Afghanistan would have turned out? Maybe a cheaper version of Tajikistan or Uzbekistan? What a tragedy for the region.
 
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One of the greatest mistakes made by Pakistan was being involved in the 1979-89 jihad against Soviet Russia. I sometimes wonder how Demoractic Republic of Afghanistan would have turned out? Maybe a cheaper version of Tajikistan or Uzbekistan? What a tragedy for the region.
Yes yet you have Pakistanis who think it was the "greatest" thing to happen whats great more poverty, people fleeing to Europe where racists abuse them at border posts and another power(the US) coming a decade later man wow such sucess.Tajikstan is meh they had terrible civil war from 1992-1997 and the country has not really recovered from that still its run by old collective farm boss Emoli Rahmonv who is an idiot the only ideal Central Asian states I see is Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan they maintained stability better and post Karimov Uzbekistan has become less isolated as well
 

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One of the greatest mistakes made by Pakistan was being involved in the 1979-89 jihad against Soviet Russia. I sometimes wonder how Demoractic Republic of Afghanistan would have turned out? Maybe a cheaper version of Tajikistan or Uzbekistan? What a tragedy for the region.
But at same time that helped Pakistans nuclear program and USA overlooked it.
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Yes yet you have Pakistanis who think it was the "greatest" thing to happen whats great more poverty, people fleeing to Europe where racists abuse them at border posts and another power(the US) coming a decade later man wow such sucess.Tajikstan is meh they had terrible civil war from 1992-1997 and the country has not really recovered from that still its run by old collective farm boss Emoli Rahmonv who is an idiot the only ideal Central Asian states I see is Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan they maintained stability better and post Karimov Uzbekistan has become less isolated as well
Everytime I see a bloody Polak, Romanian, Latvian in UK I think of Zbigniew Brzezinski, the point man in USA responsible for the Afghan jihad. His family belonged to Polish nobility and fled the country when Russians took over. His dream was to kick Russia out of Eastern Europe by giving the Soviets a bloody beating in Afghanistan.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs that the American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahiddin in Afghanistan six months before the Soviet intervention. Is this period, you were the national securty advisor to President Carter. You therefore played a key role in this affair. Is this correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahiddin began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But the reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention [emphasis added throughout].

Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?


B : What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?


Q : “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today...


B: Nonsense! It is said that the West has a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid: There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner, without demagoguery or emotionalism. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is t h ere in com m on among fundamentalist Saudi Arabia , moderate Morocco, militarist Pakistan, pro-Western Egypt, or secularist Central Asia? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries...


The West got a liberated Eastern Europe and defeat of USSR. What did we Pakistan and Afghans get? Being called terrorists and savages.
 

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But at same time that helped Pakistans nuclear program and USA overlooked it.
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Yes, very, prescient. Indeed Pakistan completed the project under insurance provided by the Afghan jihad. It's is a interesting question would we have been able to complete the bomb was it not for Afghan jihad. My opinion YES. Agreed it would have been more complicated. If you google "Project 706, the Islamic Bomb" you will get a BBC docu aired in June 1980 which I watched. It was clear Pakistan was already on the cusp of going nuclear. Since Afghan Jihad began about the same time it is moot if it made that much of a differance.
 

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August 4, 20217:47 PM +06Last Updated 4 hours ago

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Blast in Afghan capital as Taliban claim attack on minister's compound​

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KABUL, Aug 4 (Reuters) - An explosion near the office of Afghanistan's main security agency wounded three people on Wednesday, hours after a bomb and gun attack on a minister's compound brought surging Taliban violence to the capital.

The Taliban claimed responsibility for the late Tuesday attack on the home of acting Defence Minister Bismillah Mohammadi. There was no immediate claim for the Wednesday blast.
Mohammadi survived the attack on his compound in a heavily fortified part of Kabul, but the violence was a stark illustration of the deterioration in security as U.S.-led foreign forces complete their withdrawal and the Islamist insurgents seize swathes of territory. read more ]
Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said his group targeted the minister's residence as an important meeting was underway there.

Government forces battled the attackers for more than four hours and the Ministry of Interior said at least eight civilians were killed and 20 wounded.
The blast on Wednesday near a facility of the National Directorate of Security wounded two civilians and a security official, police said.
The Taliban have stepped up their campaign to defeat the U.S.-backed government since April as foreign forces complete their withdrawal after 20 years of war.

Afghan National Army (ANA) soldiers keep watch at the site of yesterday's night-time car bomb blast in Kabul, Afghanistan August 4, 2021. REUTERS/Stringer

Afghan National Army (ANA) soldiers keep watch at the site of yesterday's night-time car bomb blast in Kabul, Afghanistan August 4, 2021. REUTERS/Stringer

A man removes broken glasses from a window at the site of yesterday's night-time car bomb blast in Kabul, Afghanistan August 4, 2021. REUTERS/Stringer

A man removes broken glasses from a window at the site of yesterday's night-time car bomb blast in Kabul, Afghanistan August 4, 2021. REUTERS/Stringer

Afghan National Army (ANA) soldiers keep watch a the site of yesterday's night-time car bomb blast in Kabul, Afghanistan August 4, 2021. REUTERS/Stringer


Afghan National Army (ANA) soldiers keep watch a the site of yesterday's night-time car bomb blast in Kabul, Afghanistan August 4, 2021. REUTERS/Stringer

A member of Afghan security forces looks at a damaged car at the site of yesterday's night-time car bomb blast in Kabul, Afghanistan August 4, 2021.REUTERS/Stringer

A member of Afghan security forces looks at a damaged car at the site of yesterday's night-time car bomb blast in Kabul, Afghanistan August 4, 2021.REUTERS/Stringer

An Afghan National Army (ANA) soldier keeps watch at the site of yesterday's night-time car bomb blast in Kabul, Afghanistan August 4, 2021. REUTERS/Stringer


Fighting has been particularly heavy around the city of Herat, near the western border with Iran, and Lashkar Gah and Kandahar in the south.

An Afghan military spokesman said an emergency had been declared in Lashkar Gah and government forces were getting reinforcements and U.S. air support. "Special forces have been sent to the area. They are in good morale," armed forces spokesman General Ajmal Omar Shinwari told Reuters.

The loss of Lashkar Gah would be a huge blow for the government, which has pledged to defend strategic centres after losing many rural districts to the Taliban in recent months.
Scores of families have fled from their homes in the small city, capital of Helmand province, as government forces launched a counterattack against the Taliban.

The United Nations reported on Tuesday that at least 40 civilians had been killed in Lashkar Gah in the previous 24 hours.

On Wednesday, doctors were receiving hundreds of wounded people from Laskar Gah and neighbouring Greshk as air strikes and ground clashes continued near medical facilities and residential districts.
"Hospitals are receiving dead bodies, injured and some pregnant women...civilians are the worst affected," said Shir Ali Shaker, head of the Helmand Public Health Department.
Taliban fighters had taken control of some radio and TV stations in the city and were moving into homes to stop people from helping government forces, residents said.
Reporting by Kabul bureau; Editing by Tom Hogue, Robert Birsel and Mark Heinrich

 

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