TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Huelague]

Do we need a special thread about a possible 6. Generation aircraft?

We talked about participation of TAI on European FCAS/Tempest (6.Gen aircrafts) projects.

 

[Quasar]

Do we need a special thread about a possible 6. Generation aircraft?

We talked about participation of TAI on European FCAS/Tempest (6.Gen aircrafts) projects.

https://defencehub.live/threads/sixth-generation-fighter-aircrafts.21492/

 

[Pokemonte13]

True. I said this in the past, and I can confirm that. There will be ~240 KAANs, some F-16s, Eurofighters, and Hurjets.

Any idea if there will be a dual engine Hürjet because even though hürjet can do more or less the job of an F16 but as a dedicated multirole fighter it lacks the power for proper ew and large payloads also for navy it would be better like an f18

 

[Iskander]

Any idea if there will be a dual engine Hürjet because even though hürjet can do more or less the job of an F16 but as a dedicated multirole fighter it lacks the power for proper ew and large payloads also for navy it would be better like an f18

If you decide to convert the Hurjet trainer into a fully-fledged combat aircraft, meaning change its classification, you'll almost certainly have to completely redesign it, as this would require replacing virtually everything.
Simply adding a second engine won't achieve the desired result (turning a trainer into a combat aircraft). Adding a second engine will require widening the fuselage. The fuselage will also need to be lengthened by at least 2-3 meters. The landing gear and wings will have to be completely replaced...

In short, nothing will remain of the Hurjet except the name
It's easier to build a completely different aircraft.

 

[boredaf]

Any idea if there will be a dual engine Hürjet because even though hürjet can do more or less the job of an F16 but as a dedicated multirole fighter it lacks the power for proper ew and large payloads also for navy it would be better like an f18

We would be better off designing a single engine Kaan instead of trying to turn a trainer jet that we don't even have an engine for into something it is not.

 

[Quasar]

A) modified Hürjet with single engine

B) A new Hürjet with two engines

C) Single engine Kaan

D) modified KAAN

B and C dont exist! Even A and especially D require extensive work so most probably what will happen as we all already know is we will start with option A i.e naval Hürjet with single engine + KIzılelma + TB 3 + may be ANKA 3 and as a rumor may be add KAAN one day in the future hopfully. No offical statment concerning B C or D so far and only once we saw Kaan on an older AC model I guess?

''The participants also learned that a naval version of the KAAN fighter jet is on the table, but we still need more information to confirm this rumour.''

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/04/new-details-about-turkiyes-future-aircraft-carrier/

AND we have no carrier based (AEW&C) aircraft (or as an alternative a helicopter in AEW role) yet .... relying on AC's and carrier group's radars and effectivness of drones in AEW role (lets say compared to Hawkeye variants) is something we will optimistically wait and see.

 

[TheInsider]

Any idea if there will be a dual engine Hürjet because even though hürjet can do more or less the job of an F16 but as a dedicated multirole fighter it lacks the power for proper ew and large payloads also for navy it would be better like an f18

No, as far as I know. I expect Hurjet to go for a single F414 for the naval version. This will provide a respectable %18 thrust increase. 13000lbs dry thrust instead of 11000lbs.

 

[boredaf]

AND we have no carrier based (AEW&C) aircraft (or as an alternative a helicopter in AEW role) yet .... relying on AC's and carrier group's radars and effectivness of drones in AEW role (lets say compared to Hawkeye variants) is something we will optimistically wait and see.

Well, I don't think TB3 can carry Fulmar 500 but it should be able to carry Fulmar 200 and FLIR 500; possibly alongside Antidot 2 for its own protection. It wouldn't be perfect but it would be something. Although this is just another proof that we are approaching the whole carrier idea half arsed.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/FULMAR_200A_EN.pdf

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/ASELFLIR500_ENG.pdf

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/ANTIDOT_2-U_LBMBHB_ENG.pdf

 

[Khagan1923]

I see a lot of greek/greece paid trolls lose their minds recently on social media concerning CAATSA and F-35. Usually this means something is coming and they think they can put pressure on the US with their little trolls on social media.

Let's wait and see.

 

[Sanchez]

Then people ask why the command is begging for new fighters. It's untenable with these logged flighthours and this many aircraft now all getting older. All the respect in the world to the ground crews, they undertake herculean tasks every day.

"According to the statement made by our Minister, in 2025, the Air Force conducted 75,647 sorties and flew 120,649 hours. This means that on average, we conducted 216 sorties and flew 345 hours every day. I don't think there is another country in NATO or neighboring countries that has reached these figures with this inventory."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2002733523770151363

 

[YeşilVatan]

From Grok:

The United States Air Force executes approximately 1.1 million flight hours annually through its Flying Hour Program, as budgeted in recent fiscal years (including FY2025 requests for around 1.09–1.1 million hours to support training, operations, and readiness across fighters, bombers, transports, tankers, and other aircraft in active, Reserve, and Air National Guard components). A precise aggregate total for annual sorties—individual aircraft takeoffs and missions—is not publicly reported fleet-wide, but given varying sortie durations (typically 1–2 hours for fighters and longer for bombers or tankers), this equates to a rough estimate of 550,000 to 730,000 sorties per year, with actual figures influenced by operational demands, maintenance availability, and budget execution.

The French Air and Space Force (Armée de l’air et de l’espace) executes approximately 170,000 flight hours annually, according to recent official data, covering training, operations, and missions across its entire fleet (fighters, transports, tankers, helicopters, and other aircraft). A precise aggregate total for annual sorties—individual aircraft takeoffs and missions—is not publicly reported fleet-wide, but given varying sortie durations (often 1–2 hours for fighters and longer for transports or tankers), this corresponds to a rough estimate of 85,000 to 120,000 sorties per year, with variations depending on operational demands, technical availability, and budget execution.

It seems we are not that ahead according to Grok. But I heard from serious analysts that our flight hours are monstrous. I truly wonder why data doesn't reflect that.

 

[Sanchez]

From Grok:

The United States Air Force executes approximately 1.1 million flight hours annually through its Flying Hour Program, as budgeted in recent fiscal years (including FY2025 requests for around 1.09–1.1 million hours to support training, operations, and readiness across fighters, bombers, transports, tankers, and other aircraft in active, Reserve, and Air National Guard components). A precise aggregate total for annual sorties—individual aircraft takeoffs and missions—is not publicly reported fleet-wide, but given varying sortie durations (typically 1–2 hours for fighters and longer for bombers or tankers), this equates to a rough estimate of 550,000 to 730,000 sorties per year, with actual figures influenced by operational demands, maintenance availability, and budget execution.

The French Air and Space Force (Armée de l’air et de l’espace) executes approximately 170,000 flight hours annually, according to recent official data, covering training, operations, and missions across its entire fleet (fighters, transports, tankers, helicopters, and other aircraft). A precise aggregate total for annual sorties—individual aircraft takeoffs and missions—is not publicly reported fleet-wide, but given varying sortie durations (often 1–2 hours for fighters and longer for transports or tankers), this corresponds to a rough estimate of 85,000 to 120,000 sorties per year, with variations depending on operational demands, technical availability, and budget execution.

It seems we are not that ahead according to Grok. But I heard from serious analysts that our flight hours are monstrous. I truly wonder why data doesn't reflect that.

USAF is huge in size, about 10 times that of TurAF, which of course doesn't include the navy and corps.

FAF undertakes missions from continental Europe to Indian Ocean to Guyana to Sahel with their huge logistics fleet. These are already the first and third biggest air forces in NATO.

 

[Sanchez]

Özbek claims "per official sources", Turkey will pay 740 million USD for the 12 aircraft. Only source I can find re that figure is the defencesecurityasia article from last year. And that site's credibility can only be called dubious.

Turkiye Acquires 12 Used C-130J Transport Aircraft from RAF - Defence Security Asia

Turkiye is reportedly set to acquire 12 second-hand C-130J transport aircraft from the Royal Air Force (RAF), which have been in storage since their retirement last year, in a move to enhance its tactical airlift capabilities.

defencesecurityasia.com

I didn't see any actual official sources, definitely no official remarks. Take that number with a huge grain of salt. They are of course not going to be on pennies but 61 mil a pop is about 10 mil more than I expect.

Turns out this claim is true but it is the total price, including Marshall's workshare:

"These deals are also complemented by the export and sale of 12 C-130 aircraft to Türkiye at a combined value to UK defence and Marshall Aerospace Group of over £550M – safeguarding 1,400 skilled jobs in Cambridge"

2025 sees highest British defence exports since records began in huge boost to workers and companies

The UK has seen the highest value of defence exports in 2025 since records began

www.gov.uk

It includes the purchase of 12 aircraft, wingbox replacement at Marshall and other servicing, as well as the training and systems to enable in house MRO as per Marshall's own statement:

Marshall Aerospace secures C-130J support contract with Turkish Ministry of National Defence​

The Turkish Ministry of National Defence has awarded Marshall Aerospace a major contract to support its fleet of newly-acquired Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules aircraft.

The multi-year agreement covers entry into service and sustainment for all 12 aircraft to be operated by the Turkish Air Force, including scheduled maintenance, spares and tooling.

Marshall will also provide training to enable the customer to build up an indigenous capability on the C-130J platform....

In addition to the scheduled maintenance, Marshall will have completed centre wing box replacements on each of the 12 airframes prior to the aircraft entering into service with the Turkish Air Force.

Marshall Aerospace secures C-130J support contract with Turkish Ministry of National Defence - Marshall Group

The Turkish Ministry of National Defence has awarded Marshall Aerospace a major contract to support its fleet of newly-acquired Lockheed Martin C-130J Super …

marshallgroup.com

As this is the total figure for everything, I'm pretty happy with it. Good deal. Hopefully we now found a good use for that mostly empty ASFAT hangar in Kayseri; might even eat a bit from Marshall's own work re C-130Js in the future.

 

[Sanchez]

Nice to see 162 out there after so many years. From yesterday's joint training with 161st.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2020773734303277205

 

[TR_123456]

Guys,you know the rules.
No losses in peace time allowed to post.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Guys,you know the rules.
No losses in peace time allowed to post.

What do you mean?

 

[TR_123456]

What do you mean?

No postings about losses during peace time.
Be it a fighter jet,ship,Tank etc.
Whatever military equipment.
From no country.

 

[Saithan]

That is quite an interesting rule. I do not remember such a rule being implemented/added.

Isn't it censorship ? Plus wartime... When was Turkey in war, and the crash was in Balikesir not be ven close to warfront.

The crash in peacetime is particularly important especially in Türkiyes regard as our pilots are flying in old jets

 

[Huelague]

First time I heard something like this. Can someone enlighten us?

 

[Tonyukuk]

Personally I think we should be able to discuss these types of things, the rules should be revised