TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Spook]

But the world is buying drones instead because of us

Manned aircraft has its own advantages? Situational awareness is the most important. Controlling operations from room vs in the field. Instincts of pilot experienced in warfare matters. Drone operators needs to have very good trained eye. Knowing terrain, area. Identification. movement behavior etc. Best operators are trained in the field. Slowly flying, in a high altitude. Observing. Both with your eyes and feeding data right into dedicated operations console on board. Ability to make decisions on spot.

+ As UAV platforms, operations get more complex, there is even more need for dedicated manned special mission aircraft. There is MULTI-INT aircraft project based on CL600 ongoing aside from HAVASOJ. We can build different, more affordable platforms. Based on Beechcraft, small business jet etc. Concept like I showed. Can be armed and give network-centric capabilities at squad level in a very cost effective versatile platform. Pilots are more affordable to train etc.

 

[Nutuk]

Manned aircraft has its own advantages? Situational awareness is the most important. Controlling operations from room vs in the field. Instincts of pilot experienced in warfare matters. Drone operators needs to have very good trained eye. Knowing terrain, area. Identification. movement behavior etc. Best operators are trained in the field. Slowly flying, in a high altitude. Observing. Both with your eyes and feeding data right into dedicated operations console on board. Ability to make decisions on spot.

+ As UAV platforms, operations get more complex, there is even more need for dedicated manned special mission aircraft. There is MULTI-INT aircraft project based on CL600 ongoing aside from HAVASOJ. We can build different, more affordable platforms. Based on Beechcraft, small business jet etc. Concept like I showed. Can be armed and give network-centric capabilities at squad level in a very cost effective versatile platform. Pilots are more affordable to train etc.

Even 10 years ago I would have agreed that manned aircraft are better, trained eye would do better.

But nowadays integrated sensor suites negated all of that, with IR detectors one can detect much earlier and further than the human eyes, terrain mapping radars see even the smallest terrain deviations

 

[Spook]

Even 10 years ago I would have agreed that manned aircraft are better, trained eye would do better.

But nowadays integrated sensor suites negated all of that, with IR detectors one can detect much earlier and further than the human eyes, terrain mapping radars see even the smallest terrain deviations

My point is it needs to support each other. What I meant by trained human eye is. Software can annotate, identify at a point. It still the operator behind a screen that makes the decision. There is things software cannot observe. Observing in the field cannot be fully replaced by sensors or software. Behavior of civilians, behavior of terrorists. Seeing, feeling terrain from screen and physically is completely different.

My relative who was a field commander. Avoided ambushes and did ambushes based on instincts many times. No drones. Knew their exact behavior from experience and possible ambush locations. You want best operators? First train on foot in the field. Then manned aircraft in the area. Then UAV. They are going to know exactly where look. My question is much more philosophical. Why you don't you shoot the terrorist comes down to river to drink? How did the drone operator in Afrin knew not to shoot the truck? Is there electronic part, software to thought operator to do that?

 

[Nutuk]

14:00'e ertelenmis, bakmak isteyenlere duyurulur

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

I have another question, what about Hürküç-C ? Is it really 40M ?

 

[TheInsider]

I have another question, what about Hürküç-C ? Is it really 40M ?

It depends. Do you want to buy weapons? Do you want to setup a maintenance facility in your country? How many do you consider buying? The list goes like this..

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

It depends. Do you want to buy weapons? Do you want to setup a maintenance facility in your country? How many do you consider buying? The list goes like this..

I got it but that's price is for a fighter how can it be for a trainer warplane ? Super Tucano costs about 23M and KT-1C about 10M , why did turkey put that price tag or i'm wrong about the price ?

 

[TheInsider]

Hürkuş-C costs under 20 million. I don't know where this 40 million figure came up.

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

Hürkuş-C costs under 20 million. I don't know where this 40 million figure came up.

A website on google , just writ Hürcüs-C price and it will pop up , under 20M is a good CAS for battles lacking air defense

 

[Siper>MMU]

Any thoughs on what are the surprises ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1437035683160502272

 

[Test7]

HURKUS Air Ground Integration Aircraft (HYEU)

Credit: @DogutCem

 

[Cabatli_TR]

 

[Test7]

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This pose says that ''Turkish defense industry is both in the air and at the sea..''

 

[Ryder]

This pose says that ''Turkish defense industry is both in the air and at the sea..''

Hopefully space is next

 

[Test7]

HURKUS,
@zaferbuna

 

[Combat-Master]

HURKUS,
@zaferbuna

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Looking forward to seeing the composite version of Hurkus!

 

[Saithan]

Hürkuş was in series, now Hürjet will be serialized

We have the Hürkuş, which is currently in mass production, that we have finished, this is our propeller training and attack aircraft. We are flying this jet-powered Hürjet, with God's permission. The end of 2022, the beginning of 2023, again on March 18, 2023 We are flying with the 100th anniversary of the foundation of our Republic and the victory of Çanakkale. This goes into series in 2025. Hürkuş was in the series, now Hürjet will be put into the series.

MMU to be delivered in 2028

National Combat Aircraft is running the engine in the hangar in 2023. Engine roll-out. We fly in 2025, deliver in 2028. It is to be delivered twice a month. This type of aircraft, you know from the F-35, costs about 100 million dollars. Two a month, 24 a year means a turnover of 2.4 billion dollars. National Combat Aircraft alone.

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I'm glad we're building Hürkus, but it's using P&W engine as I recall, when will we get a variant using Domestic engine ?

With the UAV capabilities it should be easier to build a UAV Hürkus version and test domestic engine through A-Z.

 

[Abdelaziz]

I dont know why a military version of ts1400 hasnt been developed yet ? Its a project A billions of dollars are wait for ... Imo more important than civil version .. and it can be converted to be a Turboprobe and be used as a single engine with big drones like mq9 and heron etan ..or with hurkus ..they could make a new body of composite which will be lighter and then they can use ts1400 turboprobe version

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Many details are given. Hürjet is under production and we will be able to see it in 2022. It will be a slightly smaller supersonic aircraft than the F16. Hürjet will be produced with GE engine at the beginning but they are planning to use domestic engines for Hürjet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442088408222928899

 

[Spook]

"F16 structural upgrade changes flight characteristics, it feels like flying with an another aircraft"