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That's why I said this region needs a long term peaceful settlement and don't be used as a fool by foreign powers. China hasn't fired a single shot to any foreign countries for 4 decades, we also want peace in this region, it's for everyone's interest besides outside powers.
You use salami slice or boiling the frog till now, which also turns out to be aggressive for everyone now, including us. It doesn't mean no bullets flying then that's peaceful.

Your Emperor don't care about methods, what important is, your Emperor get what he want. Based Deng Xiaoping's Thought (Pragmatism) there, that I personally always remember even.

I will take any good things from everything and everyone.
 

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You use salami slice or boiling the frog till now, which also turns out to be aggressive for everyone now, including us. It doesn't mean no bullets flying then that's peaceful.

Your Emperor don't care about methods, what important is, your Emperor get what he want. Based Deng Xiaoping's Thought (Pragmatism) there, that I personally always remember even.

I will take any good things from everything and everyone.
You can go down the war path with US and see what will happen, but luckily your government and leaders are not like you.
 

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You can go down the war path with US and see what will happen, but luckily your government and leaders are not like you.
You tired, huh....

Our government and leaders will take anything good from you, Russia, US or anyone, especially economically. But in the security you are a pest for that important trading routes.
 

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You tired, huh....

Our government and leaders will take anything good from you, Russia, US or anyone, especially economically. But in the security you are a pest for that important trading routes.
We are also going to take everything good from you, the trade with you is in our favor actually, we don't any countries as pests, we see all of them as our customers.
 

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We are also going to take everything good from you, the trade with you is in our favor actually, we don't any countries as pests, we see all of them as our customers.
Mutually beneficial then why not.
we don't any countries as pests
Not countries, but....... Uhmm..... K-POP idols lol (sebut yang gak begitu kontroversial wkwk). Your Emperor is so conservative.
 

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Mutually beneficial then why not.

Not countries, but....... Uhmm..... K-POP idols lol (sebut yang gak begitu kontroversial wkwk). Your Emperor is so conservative.
We don't have an emperor, all decisions must be made after achieving a consensus among government committees, Xi probably is against this idea. why it's being dealt with is because it's been a heated discussion and debat for a long time all across the Chinese social media, if you can read Chinese then I don't have to tell you this, it's not a personal whim.
 

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We don't have an emperor, all decisions must be made after achieving a consensus among government committees, Xi probably is against this idea. why it's being dealt with is because it's been a heated discussion and debat for a long time all across the Chinese social media, if you can read Chinese then I don't have to tell you this, it's not a personal whim.
Whatever.... your party has no difference with any other ultranationalist conservative minded far-right parties around the world.
 

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You can go down the war path with US and see what will happen, but luckily your government and leaders are not like you.
Well, in democration we believe people have the right to decide too. So, its very different with the way of your government path that pushing their agenda toward their own people.
Even if your government can put our leaders in tough situations, we will not remain in silent like your peoples did.
 

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Because of what, capitalists crackdown recently?
I personally don't like Xi much, his government crackdown on some sectors of the economy hurt my own business big time, his policies are resembling Mao's time a bit and I m a big Deng's fan. We'll see what next government will be like starting from next year.
 

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I personally don't like Xi much, his government crackdown on some sectors of the economy hurt my own business big time, his policies are resembling Mao's time a bit and I m a big Deng's fan. We'll see what next government will be like starting from next year.
Damn son lol. Xi will put you to concentration camp. You can get refuge in my house tho lol.
 

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Well, in democration we believe people have the right to decide too. So, its very different with the way of your government path that pushing their agenda toward their own people.
Even if your government can put our leaders in tough situations, we will not remain in silent like your peoples did.
Different systems suit different states and peoples, China was one of the first countries who tried democratic system in Asia and it turned out to be a disaster, Communists didn't overrun China with great ease for no reason.
China's system is more of revised Confucianism than socialism which the government is being seen as a patriarch with the mandate of taking care of its people like parents taking care of their children, in return, the people are required to show unconditional respect and deference to the government. they are all part of hardcore Confucius values. Even Singapore is not a truly western style democracy, we see a lot of Confucianism in it too.
 
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Damn son lol. Xi will put you to concentration camp. You can get refuge in my house tho lol.
Everyone talks about that in social media platforms, I really wish you can read Chinese and go to some Chinese sites to see how average Chinese people really talk like, western media just brainwashed people around the world too much.
 

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Different systems suit different states and peoples, China was one of the first countries to tried democratic system in Asia and it turned out to be a disaster, Communists didn't overrun China with great ease for no reason.
China's system is more of revised Confucianism than socialism which the government is being seen as a patriarch with the mandate of taking care of its people like parents taking care of their children, in return, the people are required to show unconditional respect and deference to the government. they are all hardcore of Confucius values. Even Singapore is not a truly western style democracy, we see a lot of Confucianism in it too.
Greatest explanation by the Chinese i ever heard.
I really wish you can read Chinese
Not gonna happen lol
 

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Making fun of the government is argubly one of the most popular pastime on the Chinese social media

China Nationalists Mock The Chinese Government Inaction Over U.S. Senators' Taiwan Visit
BY JOHN FENG
ON 6/9/21 AT 12:03 PM EDT

China's largest social media platform is being overrun with nationalistic sentiment this week as a deluge of online comments mock the Chinese government's familiar rhetoric and tepid response following Sunday's visit to Taiwan by three U.S. senators.

Weibo, which boasts more than half a billion active monthly users, has become the breeding ground for an "especially toxic variant" of jingoism, which has left elements of the Chinese public with "high expectations" when it comes to Taiwan, one analyst toldNewsweek.

China's state-owned media outlets led the charge on June 6 when senators Tammy Duckworth (D-IL), Dan Sullivan (R-AK) and Chris Coons (D-DE) made a brief stop at Songshan Airport in the Taiwanese capital to announce the Biden administration's intention to donate 750,000 U.S-made vaccines to the island.

Chinese commentators, including the prominent Global Times chief editor Hu Xijin, appeared particularly aggrieved by the lawmakers' having been ferried to and from Taipei in a conspicuous U.S. Air Force C-17 Globemaster III. It marked the first time in over four decades an American military aircraft had openly landed in Taiwan—an apparent red line that, once crossed, would naturally require a display of Chinese resolve for its wantaway territory.


Instead, indignant social media users have found themselves criticizing a seemingly tame response from the Chinese government, following what they perceived as a historic change in the U.S.-Taiwan security relationship.

A Global Times Weibo post carrying a statement by China's foreign ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin was overwhelmed on Monday by comments ridiculing Beijing's "strong opposition" and its filing of a diplomatic protest with Washington.

There was even the faintest hint of dissatisfaction with Chinese President Xi Jinping, under whose leadership the country's foreign policy has become more assertive, leading to a brand of government-level flag-waving nationalism known as "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy.

"It looks like [China] has no bottom line," one Weibo user wrote. "Stop these verbal protests—show me some action," another said.

"No bottom line, yet [he] wants a third term. [He's] going to have a hard time," a third commenter added in an apparent reference to Xi's leadership ambitions.

A fourth person wrote: "It looks like Taiwan will never be unified."

Similar comments were found under a statement by China's defense ministry on Tuesday, despite the usual strongly worded warning.

"I'm tired of listening to this," a user wrote, before a second added: "I laughed reading this. I know [these words] by heart."

"Where exactly is the bottom line and where is the red line? You said a military aircraft landing in Taiwan would constitute crossing a red line, so what now?" another user said.

A fourth added: "The U.S. military can land in Taiwan but the People's Liberation Armycannot, so whose territory and whose internal affairs is it?"

Hu, the Global Times editor-in-chief, was also among those heavily criticized for the Chinese government's perceived inaction. Weibo netizens reposted an editorial he wrote last August, in which he warned that an American military aircraft arriving in Taiwan would signal the start of a Taiwan Strait conflict.

Having already escalated the newspaper's hawkish rhetoric over the past year, Hu appeared to back down on Sunday, saying: "China controls when and how it loses its temper. The Taiwan authorities can only wait and see."

Sense Hofstede, a Ph.D. candidate in Comparative Asian Studies at the National University of Singapore, said the phenomenon on Weibo "is the consequence of Beijing having nurtured Chinese nationalism into an especially toxic variant."

Liberal views and those critical of the leadership "are expunged," leaving behind a "hostile environment," Hofstede told Newsweek on Wednesday.

"Chinese nationalism is aggrieved ethnonationalism. It is a combination of belief in one's superiority and belief in one's victimhood. China is morally good and supposed to be dominant, but has been betrayed by foreign imperialists and traitors and weaklings in its midst. Given that Taiwanese are claimed to be Chinese in this story, that means they are extra contemptible," he explained.

According to Hofstede's analysis, the Chinese government has created "high expectations when it comes to Taiwan." "By ideological necessity, pronouncements by the state cannot admit the real situation of Taiwanese public opinion, have to exude confidence in the eventual settlement and historical trend, and threaten punishment."

However, he cautioned against attaching too much significance to online sentiment in China.

"Nationalists have taken over Weibo, driving out even more people. Most Chinese people do think that Taiwan is part of China, but may not support the aggressive and bellicose nationalism that the Global Times and angry extremists push," Hofstede said.

The analyst noted Beijing did not need to wield its military in order to placate the Chinese public, at least not in the short term before Xi's expected re-election next year.

 

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Sure. but you guys better know US just uses you as a paw. They will desert you instantly when bullets start flying. In 1974, they didn't blink an eye to abandon South Vietnam when China decided to take over the Paracel islands from US ally South Vietnam despite repeated begging from their ally, if it was so distant in the past, think about Afghanistan just happened recently.
it's called aligning national interests.

anyway I never mentioned going to war with China. That's madness
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anyway.

 

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Now since Natuna is getting hotter again due to the trespassing of those Chinese destroyers, and since the news about our latest procurement is still fresh, hypothetically how do you guys think that - God forbid - the 'big bang' will happen and what will be its trigger?

Will it be triggered by the attack or sinking of a certain country's naval or civilian ship? Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident?

Will it start suddenly without prior war declaration by launching massive long-range missile and air attacks against various targets in the region?

Is there going to be some kind of 'repeat' in which a certain country launches multi-pronged amphibious invasion forces to overwhelm and invade weaker countries?

Are there going to be massive unrests and riots to weaken certain regional countries as a preamble of the 'big one' to make its entry since it will be easier for them to launch their invasion?

Disruption in the region's communication network? Massive hacking and underground disinformation campaign via social media?

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Sorry if this thread is not really the right place for this post. So if it is, I ask the moderators here for help to move this to a proper one.
you can continue here.
 
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