Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Anmdt]

Pantsir

Pantsir? Does anyone ever keep it on the table after all those?

 

[Elaser]

Well, both Korkut and Biho designers should also recognize this challenge so they, in theory, should have incorporated similar munition technology as the one Rheinmetall has.

Can't speak for biho but korkut has it

ACV-30 hull made by FNSS so pindad can be contracted to produce it like kaplan mt. Choice is easy no need to look further...

 

[Parry Brima]

Crotale-NG, in my opinion using an autocannon to intercept low flying drone, missile, fighter, chopper right now the chance of bullet hitting it are rather pretty slim, unless they're using state of the art fuzed munition such as those 35mm AHEAD.

Korkut fires ATOM 35mm which works similarly to AHEAD.

 

[JATOSINT]

After getting those Frigates or while waiting them online, the next procurement would be focused to fill Marine Corps needs (armor, artillery, spaa, manpads, SBAShM), ASW Helicopters and Aircraft, follow on OPV/Corvettes/ light Frigate whatever you name it lah, and some support ships units.

'Marines make do"

 

[Barjo_2]

'Marines make do"

Yeah like A-220M

 

[FPXAllen]

Can't speak for biho but korkut has it

ACV-30 hull made by FNSS so pindad can be contracted to produce it like kaplan mt. Choice is easy no need to look further...

Oh yeah, thanks.

If it's up to me, I will seriously consider your point about Pindad's involvement. However, while it says in Wikipedia that Korkut also has a secondary weapon in the form of SHORAD, but I haven't seen one. Korean Biho, on the other hand, has Chiron SHORAD incorporated in the design.

This might be important enough for the Indonesian marine corps especially since we already have Chiron missiles operated by the Indonesian Air Force.

 

[Lordimperator]

Pantsir? Does anyone ever keep it on the table after all those?

Maybe they want to use Pantsir to do training together with Bayraktar if our MoD buy those uav

 

[Elaser]

Oh yeah, thanks.

If it's up to me, I will seriously consider your point about Pindad's involvement. However, while it says in Wikipedia that Korkut also has a secondary weapon in the form of SHORAD, but I haven't seen one. Korean Biho, on the other hand, has Chiron SHORAD incorporated in the design.

This might be important enough for the Indonesian marine corps especially since we already have Chiron missiles operated by the Indonesian Air Force.

drones and munitions are getting smaller and biho has no airburst like atom and ahead. You will shoot more missiles than shells and and it becomes very expensive. No such thing with airbust munition.

Indonesia is big country with large economy. No need for buy from shelf while you can coproduce system too. Better for economy and industry.

 

[NEKO]

Indonesia is big country with large economy. No need for buy from shelf while you can coproduce system

That will be really good, and order lots of it not only just for the marines but the army and air force.

 

[Anmdt]

SHORAD

This will soon to come, however TAF has known to split munitions (per munition per platform) as much as possible for unknown reasons, they might have recognized the threat of drones and it is expected to see such designs in this or next year.

Maybe they want to use Pantsir to do training together with Bayraktar if our MoD buy those uav

Why need to train once more while Pantsir has proven itself in three campaigns with multiple operators ( including Russian with non-export version) , they better to train themselves to target sea-platforms from UAVs and pass the information to the FACs and Coastal defenses with ease.

 

[Parry Brima]

However, while it says in Wikipedia that Korkut also has a secondary weapon in the form of SHORAD, but I haven't seen one. Korean Biho, on the other hand, has Chiron SHORAD incorporated in the design.

It's probably not as secondary weapon, but the same hull (ACV-30) can be used for Hisar SAM as well. Hisar SR variant has 15km range.

 

[FPXAllen]

drones and munitions are getting smaller and biho has no airburst like atom and ahead. You will shoot more missiles than shells and and it becomes very expensive. No such thing with airbust munition.

Not that I'm against your point here, but I still think that having the anti-air missiles incorporated in a gun-based self-propelled anti-aircraft system will provide more flexibility.

This will soon to come, however TAF has known to split munitions (per munition per platform) as much as possible for unknown reasons, they might have recognized the threat of drones and it is expected to see such designs in this or next year.

Good to know. Considering the Kaplan MT joint project between Turkey and Indonesia, as well as the ATOM airburst ammunition in Korkut, the inclusion of SHORAD as the secondary armament in the system should be more than enough to 'level the field' against similar platform from other makers.

If I'm allowed to dream, it will be even more interesting if, let's say, the "Korkut NG" can also be equipped with CIRIT missiles by simply replacing its SHORAD modules with CIRIT launchers to use against ground targets from a longer distance.

It's probably not as secondary weapon, but the same hull (ACV-30) can be used for Hisar SAM as well. Hisar SR variant has 15km range.

Well yeah, but as @Anmdt has just explained, the next version of Korkut will incorporate SHORAD in the design.

Ideally, we should also be able to deploy mobile medium range SAM to support ground troops on the move, either as part of the Army, Marine Corps, or both.

 

[NEKO]

Is there any requirement for it to be amphibious?

 

[Madokafc]

Not that I'm against your point here, but I still think that having the anti-air missiles incorporated in a gun-based self-propelled anti-aircraft system will provide more flexibility.


Good to know. Considering the Kaplan MT joint project between Turkey and Indonesia, as well as the ATOM airburst ammunition in Korkut, the inclusion of SHORAD as the secondary armament in the system should be more than enough to 'level the field' against similar platform from other makers.

If I'm allowed to dream, it will be even more interesting if, let's say, the "Korkut NG" can also be equipped with CIRIT missiles by simply replacing its SHORAD modules with CIRIT launchers to use against ground targets from a longer distance.


Well yeah, but as @Anmdt has just explained, the next version of Korkut will incorporate SHORAD in the design.

Ideally, we should also be able to deploy mobile medium range SAM to support ground troops on the move, either as part of the Army, Marine Corps, or both.

Well Marine new paradigm in combat theater doesn't need ground based mobile SAM to protect their armored column during Amphibious assault, as the Navy would provided them with Ship based system protection in the first place.

 

[FPXAllen]

Is there any requirement for it to be amphibious?

Not sure about that. But in case there's a requirement for it, which one of those two 'candidates' is suitable?

Well Marine new paradigm in combat theater doesn't need ground based mobile SAM to protect their armored column during Amphibious assault, as the Navy would provided them with Ship based system protection in the first place.

So it will likely be only gun-based SPAA then? It's fine though since anti-air missile support can be in the form of infantry shoulder-launched SHORAD.

But still, to imagine the next version of Korkut that will be able to switch between SHORAD and CIRIT modules in the field... Hmmm...

 

[flogger]

You all be surprised with what they choose

Dont ask more i am not a canteen guard , messeur or a student...

 

[Parry Brima]

Well yeah, but as @Anmdt has just explained, the next version of Korkut will incorporate SHORAD in the design.

Ideally, we should also be able to deploy mobile medium range SAM to support ground troops on the move, either as part of the Army, Marine Corps, or both.

Why waiting for SHORAD Korkut? Our Turkish friends have brand new shinny toy called ALKA which is a laser & electromagnetic directed energy weapon

It can be mounted on armoured vehicle and they claim that it successfully destroyed chinese drone in Libya

 

[Lordimperator]

Why need to train

I mean, as a target

 

[NEKO]

Well Marine new paradigm in combat theater doesn't need ground based mobile SAM to protect their armored column during Amphibious assault, as the Navy would provided them with Ship based system protection in the first place.

If we are talking about offensive ops on a very big land masses, our marines will only stick close to the shore lines and let the army to push deeper inland? Or will they work together with the army units.

Btw do we need facility to build ship indoor somewhere in the future? With/without dry dock.

Current PAL submarine facility also can be used to build something around KCR60 size, do we need bigger facility?

 

[FPXAllen]

You all be surprised with what they choose

Dont ask more i am not a canteen guard , messeur or a student...

Oh I know, I know.

The mighty and immortal S-60!