Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Ravenman]

i am really surprised that a lot of users here think the majority of the public are mindless drones that follow everything the media says, but I guess that works really well with Turkey.

You really think you can invade a country without resistance or reaction? This is not Rome Total War videogame.

Remove Wodka.

 

[blackjack]

You really think you can invade a country without resistance or reaction? This is not Rome Total War videogame.

Remove Wodka.

no its amusing that you think others give a shit about some country that is worser financially than kosovo in which they will be more than likely pissed at the Ukrainians instead trying to drag them into conflicts they dont care about but their politicians do

Remove Kebab or hijab

 

[Ryder]

no its amusing that you think others give a shit about some country that is worser financially than kosovo in which they will be more than likely pissed at the Ukrainians instead trying to drag them into conflicts they dont care about but their politicians do

Remove Kebab or hijab

You cant remove Kebab.

Kebab removes you.

 

[Gary]

Russia will unite the whole of West and East Europe with this invasion.

Poles, Lets, Estonians, Romanians, Bulgars, Croats, Bosnians, Lithuanians, Moldovians, Hungarians, Greeks, Albanians, Macedons, Fins and Turks.

And with the help of the US, West and East will unite in their hate and resistance against Russia.

I foresee razzias against Russian nationals in every country and fierce fighting against the Red Army.

Whatever the military outcome in Ukraine. There's something certain, Russia will be reduced to irrelevance in the long run, the sanctions prepared by the west would wreck havoc to the Russian economy. That could only mean Russia would have to rely on China , and in the process would have to swallow the bitterness of being a junior partner in the so called Sino-Russian alliance.

This invasion could also potentially become a wake up call for NATO and bring back the sense of purpose to the alliance. Seeing just how overwhelming NATO power currently compared to Russia, imagine what will be a bulked up NATO look like ?

Add that to the US pivot to Asia and we could even see some countries bordering Russia and Belarus enhancing their military to Israel level commitment.

To me whatever Putin wins in Ukraine is short term and self defeating. His successor would have to inherit a hostile world to Russia and only China to turn into.

 

[Agha Sher]

Russia is in a really bad place. If they invade, they would have massive casualties and their economy will collapse. If they back down, it will be a sign of weakness. Ukraine will keep getting lethal weapons and build their military making a Russian military solution nearly impossible in the future. Either way, this is game over for russia in Eastern Europe.

 

[mulj]

Whatever the military outcome in Ukraine. There's something certain, Russia will be reduced to irrelevance in the long run, the sanctions prepared by the west would wreck havoc to the Russian economy. That could only mean Russia would have to rely on China , and in the process would have to swallow the bitterness of being a junior partner in the so called Sino-Russian alliance.

This invasion could also potentially become a wake up call for NATO and bring back the sense of purpose to the alliance. Seeing just how overwhelming NATO power currently compared to Russia, imagine what will be a bulked up NATO look like ?

Add that to the US pivot to Asia and we could even see some countries bordering Russia and Belarus enhancing their military to Israel level commitment.

To me whatever Putin wins in Ukraine is short term and self defeating. His successor would have to inherit a hostile world to Russia and only China to turn into.

on the contrary, sanctions against russia will criple west too in various fields, lets say for example titanium and percentage of trade held by russia, not to mention other well known materials in trade, also china could absorb lot of the impact of the possible sanctions.
at end of they we would have again threepolarised world and europe screwed for decades once again.
but i think that sanctions will not happen at all in a way how they present it in media and europe largely will not participate in those, they are not chearfull to move away from russia and pay more to the others.

 

[guest_07]

Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim.
Good day to Others.

For people that know Russian
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[Gary]

on the contrary, sanctions against russia will criple west too in various fields, lets say for example titanium and percentage of trade held by russia,

1. Japan export more Titanium than Russia
2. Russia is not a trade giant, unlike China. In fact other than nukes, I can't think what still make modern Russia a great power.

mention other well known materials in trade, also china could absorb lot of the impact of the possible sanctions.

This sounds nice until China mercantilism comes into play. The Chinese are greedy. Hence I warn about the possible bitterness that Russia will have to face once they choose isolation and only China to turn into.

Look at any of China's so called allies and how the Chinese treat them and you'll understand what I meant.

 

[mulj]

1. Japan export more Titanium than Russia
2. Russia is not a trade giant, unlike China. In fact other than nukes, I can't think what still make modern Russia a great power.

This sounds nice until China mercantilism comes into play. The Chinese are greedy. Hence I warn about the possible bitterness that Russia will have to face once they choose isolation and only China to turn into.

Look at any of China's so called allies and how the Chinese treat them and you'll understand what I meant.

There is no certainity in amy outcome, poimt is that vulnerability is present on both sides. If longer period of confrotations occurs no one can predict exact consequences.

 

[blackjack]

not selling apple products to Russia are scary sanctions that will make their economy collapse will indeed happen. Lets also ignore their gas and oil trades projects with more countries and replacing SWIFT with this https://www.russia-briefing.com/new...voiding-international-financial-systems.html/

I dont know about the massive casualties' part since what can stop the Russians from using thermobaric weapons? Do people think RPGs are enough? I think even Syria is more well-armed than they are.

 

[blackjack]

You cant remove Kebab.

Kebab removes you.

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[Ravenman]

If they block Russia from SWIFT, the only country to trade are China, North Korea, Iran and Cuba.

There is no other country that want to use the new Sino-Russian system because they dont have to.

Good luck Russia.

 

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[Bogeyman]

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[Bogeyman]

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Russia aims to ward off NATO in the event of a Ukraine invasion​

As Russian President Vladimir Putin sends mixed signals about his willingness to invade Ukraine, his military continues to undertake activities that appear designed not only to ready an offensive but to thwart any attempt by the United States and NATO to intervene, according to Western officials and analysts.

President Biden, who on Tuesday warned that Russian forces around Ukraine now number 150,000 even as Moscow claimed that some of its forces had pulled back, has explicitly ruled out the possibility of deploying U.S. troops to combat an invasion. Such a move, the president has said, would risk another world war. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has made similar pronouncements about Western military intervention.

The prospect of a large-scale nuclear exercise, the presence of sophisticated air defenses in Belarus and elsewhere, and an array of powerful naval assets spread throughout the Black and Mediterranean seas have underscored to Western capitals just how difficult and dangerous any attempted intervention would be.


The Kremlin, said Samuel Charap, a Russia specialist and senior political scientist at the Rand Corp., is looking to “abundantly disincentivize” the alliance even from contemplating coming to Ukraine’s aid militarily. “The way the Russians have thought about this kind of an operation is they have two problems to solve,” he said. “One is the immediate issue of outgunning smaller adversaries along their periphery like Ukraine, and the other is deterring NATO — the U.S., really.”

Russian state news media have reported that the country plans to hold its annual strategic nuclear exercises during the first half of this year, earlier than usual. U.S. and European officials have said they expected those drills to begin this month, potentially to coincide with an invasion of Ukraine, but thus far there are no public indications that has happened.

A senior Western intelligence official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive security matter, said that the intent of such an exercise would be to “send a message to the West — that ‘we have strategic capabilities, and if we’re pushed too far, we might use them.’ ”


Mathieu Boulègue, a research fellow in the Russia and Eurasia program at London-based Chatham House, said, too, that it could be calibrated to hold NATO at arm’s length while Russia proceeds with an invasion.
“It is a signal sent to the West and to NATO in particular saying, ‘Don’t move,’ ” Boulègue said. “ ‘Don’t try anything stupid because we can quickly escalate to the nuclear threshold if we need to.’ ”
Putin put Russia’s nuclear forces on alert while he annexed Crimea from neighboring Ukraine in 2014, stating later that year, as Russia escalated its backing for separatist fighters in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region that, “It is best not to mess with us when it comes to a possible armed conflict.” Russia, he told the audience comprising participants in a Kremlin youth camp, “is one of the leading nuclear powers.”




Putin made a similar statement during a news conference this month with French President Emmanuel Macron in Moscow, warning that if Ukraine were to join NATO and attempt to take back Crimea, European countries would end up in a military conflict with Russia.
“Of course, NATO’s united potential and that of Russia are incomparable,” Putin said. “We understand that, but we also understand that Russia is one of the world’s leading nuclear powers and is superior to many of those countries in terms of the number of modern nuclear force components.”

Separately, joint military exercises between Russia and Belarus, scheduled to conclude Sunday, are aimed at demonstrating Moscow’s capability in addition to potentially providing cover for an invasion of Ukraine from the north, the senior Western intelligence official said.




Those exercises have included S-400 air defense systems positioned very close to the Polish border. They are capable of shooting down planes and missiles, and reaching into NATO territory.
Positioning the S-400s there is part of a broader move by the Russians to complicate the airspace in a way that would deter Western intervention. In addition, the missiles that military analysts say Russia has placed in the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad, Belarus, in Russian territory near Ukraine and in the Black Sea, when combined with the S-400s, would make a flight into Ukraine by U.S. or allied aircraft incredibly risky if not impossible in the event of a full-blown conflict. Those moves also pose threats to NATO over the Baltics.
“I’m confident,” the senior intelligence official said, “that the so-called ‘exercise’ is also intended to put Russian troops and advance Russian capability into a geographic position to send a message to the alliance, that ‘look, if you seek to operate in that airspace, whether to do a noncombatant evacuation from Ukraine or if you intended to intercede militarily in this, you would have to fly through our engagement zone and those air defenses.’ ”

Russia underscored its naval powers and regular proximity to U.S. and NATO vessels with a massive exercise Tuesday in the Mediterranean. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu observed the drills, which state news agency Tass said involved more than 15 combat ships from Russia’s Pacific, Northern and Black Sea fleets.


Russia also has moved a fleet of naval vessels into the Black Sea, including Ropucha-class landing ships designed to invade territory through beach landings. A Russian kilo-class submarine, which can hit targets with Kalibr cruise missiles similar to American tomahawks, was spotted this week passing through the Bosporus into the Black Sea. Notices closing large parts of the Sea of Azov were issued but later lifted, underscoring Russia’s ability to blockade Ukraine.
It’s a signal, said retired Adm. James G. Foggo III, former commander of U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa, “it will be a combined land, air and sea campaign.”
Beyond the possible involvement in a Ukraine invasion, the large naval presence shows Russia’s ability to cause problems for the three NATO members that also have vital Black Sea coastlines.


Russia’s past muscling of Ukraine in the Sea of Azov — Russian authorities fired on three Ukrainian naval vessels in the Kerch Strait in 2018 and captured 24 of their sailors in a protracted dispute — raises the prospect of broader challenges in the Black Sea. The current Russian presence could complicate trips by NATO warships into the waters.
Foggo said U.S. warships would continue to go into the Black Sea but that doing so now would risk exacerbating existing tensions.
“I think we will continue to go in there and flex our muscles,” he added, “but right now … it could make matters worse.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/15/russia-ukraine-nato/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social