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Normally, I respect people who go against the mainstream hysteria and stand up for their opinion.

What I don't understand though, is how can someone advocate these horrific actions of bombing civilians and targeting residential areas.
And don't tell me there are fighters hiding in them cause it's no argument after invading their country.
Not to mention what Mr. Putin and his administration are doing with their own population.

Nobody with a working brain can claim that NATO, the EU and Ukraine are totally innocent. We have witnessed a lot of double-standard moves from these. That being said, it doesn't give you the right to simply invade another country and pretend you're liberating it.

I used to think that Mr. Putin was a strong, clever leader that has Russia's interests as top priority. Now, it looks like he's either lost his touch with reality or had naively believed the reports which were given to him just to please him.

I don't think Ukraine is completely innocent and I'm not painting my house blue and gold, neither I'm shouting "Slava Ukraini", but I can see that Russia is the aggressor at this moment, and they deserve the humiliation that they got themselves into.

So, just for the indiscriminate bombings of residential areas, everybody should condemn the Russian armed forces, and their supporters should be ashamed.

Just my two cents. Please don't bother replying, I'm not gonna drag this into a personal debate.
 

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Normally, I respect people who go against the mainstream hysteria and stand up for their opinion.
That's why i have a thread exactly for this.
And i will open one for Russia Soon.

 

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That's why i have a thread exactly for this.
And i will open one for Russia Soon.

The standard response to Russian aggression in every conflict - typical far-left anti-western whataboutism on Iraq and Afghanistan with exaggerated civilian casualties thrown in.
 

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Ukrainian TV host calls for genocide of Russians, quoting Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann​


Live on TV, a presenter for Ukraine’s Channel 24 quoted Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann, an architect of the Holocaust, calling for “exterminating” Russian children to bring about genocide of the people of Russia.

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Ukrainian TV presenter Fakhrudin Sharafmal, who called for genocide of Russians live on Ukraine's Channel 24

A presenter on a major TV channel in Ukraine cited infamous Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann live on air and called for “exterminating” Russian children to bring about genocide of the people of Russia.
Eichmann was a leader of the Third Reich’s SS death squads and a key architect of the Nazi Holocaust.

The Ukrainian government and its Western backers insist the country does not have a problem with Nazism and far-right extremism, but neo-fascists have significant influence in the Ukrainian state, particularly in the security apparatus. And major media outlets have frequently helped to amplify Ukrainian neo-Nazi propaganda.

This shocking call for genocide against Russians was made live on TV on Ukraine’s Channel 24, by host Fakhrudin Sharafmal.

“Since you call me a Nazi, I adhere to the doctrine of Adolf Eichmann, and I will do everything in my power to ensure that you and your children never live on this earth,” Sharafmal said.

“You have to understand that this is not about peace; it is about the victory of the Ukrainian people,” he continued. “We need victory. And if we have to massacre all your families to do it, I’ll be one of the first to do it.”

Channel 24 is owned by a wealthy Ukrainian businesswoman, Kateryna Kit-Sadova, who is the wife of the right-wing mayor of Lviv, Andriy Sadovyi.

Lviv is a city in western Ukraine that is a hotbed for ultra-nationalist extremists. Ukrainian Nazi collaborators carried out large pogroms against Jews there during World War II.

On March 15, Channel 24 published a tepid apology on its official website, saying that Sharafmal had been angry because a friend of his was killed by Russian soldiers, after Moscow invaded Ukraine on February 24.

The presenter also apologized on air, in a video posted to the official Channel 24 YouTube channel. But behind him on the screen was Ukrainian text reading, “Russian warship, go f*ck yourself!” (This has become a nationalist slogan in the war.)

A subtitled video of Sharafmal’s bloodthirsty rant is embedded below, followed by a full transcript. Multipolarista reviewed this translation with a native Ukrainian speaker to make sure it is accurate.

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Since we are called Nazis and fascists in Russia, I might as well quote Adolf Eichmann, who said that in order to destroy a nation, you must first exterminate its children.
Because if you kill their parents, the children will grow up and take revenge. But if you kill the children first, they will never grow up, and the nation will disappear.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot exterminate Russian children because it is forbidden by the rules of war, and it is prohibited by various conventions, including the Geneva Conventions.
However, I am not from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And when I get the chance to take out the Russians, I will not hesitate.
Since you call me a Nazi, I adhere to the doctrine of Adolf Eichmann, and I will do everything in my power to ensure that you and your children never live on this earth. So that you can feel what it is like when innocent civilians die, so that you can feel all the pain and suffering.

When you say, ‘We didn’t start the war, it was Putin, we didn’t want this war’ – we didn’t want it either. But you have to understand that this is not about peace; it is about the victory of the Ukrainian people.

We need victory. And if we have to massacre all your families to do it, I’ll be one of the first to do it.

Glory to the Ukrainian nation! Let’s hope that there will never be a nation like Russia and the Russians on this earth again. They are just scum who are destroying this land.
If the Ukrainians have the opportunity, which they are basically doing right now, to destroy, to slaughter, to kill, to strangle the Muscovites – I hope that everyone does their part and kills at least one Moskal (a slur referring to Russians).
 

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According to independent countings from Vkontakte and Odnoklassniki (Russian social platforms),they counted so far at least 4300 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine.

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They are suffering heavy casualties also I have not seen any night operations from the Russians.

Basically even if the Russians win this will be a victory with a heavy cost. Phyrric Victory at best.

After this war, Russia's military standing will be questioned by experts lots of purges will happen .
 

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Until we do NOT see painted Ukraine bird on TB2 than this can be just ruski propaganda. I mean they already DID bring TB2 parts from other Wars and made puctures
Even if they do kill one , a TB-2 cost like $5 mil a piece.

Ukraine could just buy another one.
I don't think Ukraine is completely innocent and I'm not painting my house blue and gold, neither I'm shouting "Slava Ukraini", but I can see that Russia is the aggressor at this moment, and they deserve the humiliation that they got themselves into.

Same here. I'm no denying the presence of neo nazi in Ukraine. But anyway these Russian simps will find any trickle of fault from the defender to justify an assault against a sovereign country.

Moreover many of these Russian sympathizers came from a country that (in theory) should sympathize with Ukraine since their country and people are once the victim of unjust aggression too.

Can't understand the defect in their brains sometimes.
 
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