Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[HellFireIndo]

Your post warrant deleted punishment, US do, has her fault, and they are not clean at all as any power or countries in this world, heck even Vatican do has their dirty. But we are not talking about US, just as that's not the reason at all to let other countries blatantly invading other, disrupt internasional order, let the Minyak goreng and tepung terigu naik harganya.

That's not real politics, that's tyranny enabler.

The thing is, who counts as a "tyrant" is determined solely by US interest, otherwise they are not really officially tyrant yet. Saddam invaded Iran for years, and he wasn't a tyrant yet when he did it and got away with it. But when he invaded Kuwait, he is suddenly a tyrant and need to be screwed over repeatedly? Wow, how does this work exactly?

That's right, someone is only a tyrant when the US said so, that's the only proper criteria.

The US is not clean, none of the countries are actually, but the US is an especially dangerous form of dirtiness. So there is no need to trust them anyway, be skeptical!

 

[schuimpjes]

The US is not clean, none of the countries are actually, but the US is an especially dangerous form of dirtiness. So there is no need to trust them anyway, be skeptical!

Full throttle Anti-US goes brrrrrrr…… we fight the great Satan now

Iran waiting for us for sure

 

[HellFireIndo]

Full throttle Anti-US goes brrrrrrr…… we fight the great Satan now

Iran waiting for us for sure

Cri in I am actually educated in American curriculum, I even attended a course in Wyoming

But that doesn't mean I cannot be critical of their foreign policy, no?

 

[schuimpjes]

Cri in I am actually educated in American curriculum, I even attended a course in Wyoming

Anwar Al Awlaki was also US educated tho, that didn’t stop him to became who he was lol

But that doesn't mean I cannot be critical of their foreign policy, no?

For sure it’s alright. Anti-US imperialists folks for sure love you for sure. DSA, the Squad in Congress, whos more….. lot lah

 

[HellFireIndo]

Anwar Al Awlaki was also US educated tho, that didn’t stop him to became who he was lol

For sure it’s alright. Anti-US imperialists folks for sure love you for sure. DSA, the Squad in Congress, whos more….. lot lah

I am not "anti-US", my message is simply that people shouldn't be too naive and trust the US government and US media too much. Don't take it too personally, if there is even such thing as "personal sentiment" when it comes to politics.

So when you want China to be screwed, then manipulate the US to do it in your favor. When you want a weakened US, then manipulate China to do it for you. It is that simple, don't take it personally, this is how nations survive, by taking advantage of others.

 

[schuimpjes]

US media too much

Ok, i start to watch RT and anti-establishement Infowars now lol.

US media is not 1 entity tho lol, even CNN and Fox News are bashing each other, especially about domestic politics. And thats good, you got check and balances from differences.

So when you want China to be screwed, then manipulate the US to do it in your favor. When you want a weakened US, then manipulate China to do it for you. It is that simple, don't take it personally, this is how nations survive, by taking advantage of others.

We are ok to be seen as unreliable partner. We have our own shortsighted way, Indonesian Way as Mrs. Retno said (that shortsighted was from me tho. Not her said shortsighted).

 

[HellFireIndo]

Ok, i start to watch RT and anti-establishement Infowars now lol.

US media is not 1 entity tho lol, even CNN and Fox News are bashing each other, especially about domestic politics. And thats good, you got check and balances from differences.

I think the problem with this conversation is that you keep assuming things that I don't even say. When I say "don't trust US media too much", that's the only thing I want to say, be critical of media including that from the US. But why do you assume I want you to watch RT or Infowars? I never said that.

I mean I am being really serious here, and I am being fair, I accept what you said according to what you actually said. So why don't you do the same? instead, you keep accusing me of being anti-US, pro-Iran, or wanting people to watch RT, which none of them I actually said, or even think about.

We are ok to be seen as unreliable partner. We have our own shortsighted way, Indonesian Way as Mrs. Retno said (that shortsighted was from me tho. Not her said shortsighted).

Everyone will be regarded as an unreliable partner at some point EVEN if we do nothing against them. The US and UK embargoed us for our domestic issues in East Timor, so according to them, we are being unreliable then? when we weren't even hostile to them back then? how does this work exactly?

You see, I don't like getting to this point but I am educated in this field, I know what I am doing and where my opinion came from. Moreover, I think you misunderstood what Retno said and insert edits of "shortsighted" which will change the entire meaning of any message. Why do you like to change the meaning of what someone said?

 

[NEKO]

A single-seater, twin-engine fighter, the AMCA will be 17.6m long, with a wingspan of 11.13m and a maximum takeoff weight of 25 tonnes.

The dimension and MTOW is not much different with KF-21 except AMCA wil be a little bit longer, both also use the same engine(F414).

@Nilgiri what would be the main difference between AMCA and KF-21? Roles?

 

[Umigami]

Omedeto~
Moga gol tambahan Rafalenya~

 

[Umigami]

The dimension and MTOW is not much different with KF-21 except AMCA wil be a little bit longer, both also use the same engine(F414).

@Nilgiri what would be the main difference between AMCA and KF-21? Roles?

Minimum stealth features on Boramae.

 

[Lordimperator]

Omedeto~
Moga gol tambahan Rafalenya~

Scorpene juga

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1518274804603830273

 

[this is crunch]

Anyway, Polish PGW Borsuk IFV looks amazingly similar with Kaplan/Harimau

 

[schuimpjes]

Everyone will be regarded as an unreliable partner at some point EVEN if we do nothing against them. The US and UK embargoed us for our domestic issues in East Timor, so according to them, we are being unreliable then? when we weren't even hostile to them back then? how does this work exactly?

I kind of get you now. You want all countries just be itself and nothing has a right to intervene to other countries. It’s ok tho. Freer countries must be ready to get the refugees.

Embargo is also used to give a sign at least. If certain countries still doing something that made them got the embargo, then the embargo still intact and hopefully they surrender and stop what they’re doing. What usually enforced are also about basic human rights which all agree. If not countries who gave that then who else.

You wanna live in the country that killing people only because they are Muslims for example (Balkan countries during 90s) ? That people needs help, the only help that countries can give them are just asylum for those who oppressed and embargo as a step to change countries attitude, more hard way, regime change. If UN which using NATO as their hand not stop the Serbs before, maybe there are no more Muslims and other oppressed (Croats) in Balkan.

 

[NEKO]

Minimum stealth features on Boramae.

Bakal jadi rival di pasar internasional ntar.

 

[Madokafc]

I kind of get you now. You want all countries just be itself and nothing has a right to intervene to other countries. It’s ok tho. Freer countries must be ready to get the refugees.

Embargo is also used to give a sign at least. If certain countries still doing something that made them got the embargo, then the embargo still intact and hopefully they surrender and stop what they’re doing. What usually enforced are also about basic human rights which all agree. If not countries who gave that then who else.

You wanna live in the country that killing people only because they are Muslims for example (Balkan countries during 90s) ? That people needs help, the only help that countries can give them are just asylum for those who oppressed and embargo as a step to change countries attitude, more hard way, regime change. If UN which using NATO as their hand not stop the Serbs before, maybe there are no more Muslims and other oppressed (Croats) in Balkan.

He can't see more greater picture, shallow view and Russia is great minded people, oh of course US always wrong

 

[R4duga]

the previous SU-35 pancaked wreckage also has no crash trail on ground meaning it's highly possible that it was also crashed on flat spin.

seriously what the hell is happening with russian jets falling in flat spin phenomenon recently.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1518540895058120704

 

[Umigami]

the previous SU-35 pancaked wreckage also has no crash trail on ground meaning it's highly possible that it was also crashed on flat spin.

seriously what the hell is happening with russian jets falling in flat spin phenomenon recently.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1518540895058120704

Just like F14, Flanker series put their 2 engines far apart so when one of them get shot (or something else) that asymmetrical thrust could put it on unrecoverable flat spin.

 

[HellFireIndo]

He can't see more greater picture, shallow view and Russia is great minded people, oh of course US always wrong

This is obviously a logically incorrect conclusion. A "greater picture" implies a broader worldview, and therefore the ability to see a more diverse range of possibilities. Including the possibility that the other person in a conversation is probably more correct? that disagree or not agree partially to an idea should not be interpreted as a sign of hostility?

Of course, someone who has the "greater picture" will see that Russia can be right or wrong, can be stupid or smart. The US too can be possibly right or wrong, that depends on how someone with a perspective interprets events and how much information they know. Lacking perspective is foolishness, and lacking information is ignorance. That is why a person with both qualities is easy to jump to a conclusion based on the limited, narrow source of information, and concludes that someone who doesn't conform to that opinion, must be wrong. This is certainly a faulty way of thinking, reactionary and short-sighted in nature.

Though personally, I should make it clear that:
1. I never said Russia is great minded people
2. I never said the US is always wrong

Give proof that I ever said both of these statements, well I am pretty sure I never said these.

 

[Nilgiri]

The dimension and MTOW is not much different with KF-21 except AMCA wil be a little bit longer, both also use the same engine(F414).

@Nilgiri what would be the main difference between AMCA and KF-21? Roles?

They will be overall fairly similar in most respects. KF-21 is 4.5 gen (right now), but it will evolve to 5 and 5.5 gen and then 6 gen etc with whatever blocks and new models that follow etc.

AMCA block 1 will be 5th gen...and also will evolve to 5.5 and 6 gen....its production schedule will lag that of KF-21 for some time as result (along due to the time/resource India spent exploring FGFA JV with Russia for a number of years...that is now dead/squandered essentially).

Other than that (program initial tech tree deployment etc) there is not much difference conceptually in their multirole objective.

Convergent evolution from requirements, expertise and tech tree available on hand played its role in their similarity past that as well.

Good observation.

 

[chibiyabi]

Welcome to corruption Lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://m.jpost.com/international/article-704938?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Russia sabotaged itself. At this point, I'll believe it instantly if someone make a conspiracy theory saying the corruption culture in Russia is planted by the west to weaken Russia from the inside lol

Korupsi di Indonesia terutama di TNI & Kemhan ga separah ini kan?

ga separah kyk rusia lah, pejabat disini banyaknya jadi beking, satu dua kasus ada lah komandan yg makan duit anak buah, tapi langsung cepat ditindak, kasus terakhir ya yang di papua dulu. ini dilapangan klo ditingkat pengambil keptusannya liat aja kasus helikopter