TR Türkiye uncovers world's second-largest rare earth element reserve

[Bogeyman]

Every source I could find shows China at around 40 million tons
https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2021/mcs2021-rare-earths.pdf

Encyclopedia of Chemical Processing and Design

"Written by engineers for engineers (with over 150 International Editorial Advisory Board members),this highly lauded resource provides up-to-the-minute information on the chemical processes, methods, practices, products, and standards in the chemical, and related, industries. "

books.google.com.tr

Complex reserves and rare earth element reserves are different terms. I found a good resource for confusion

 

[TheInsider]

And how you are going to build thorium reactors?

We have a thorium molten salt reactor project. If it fails we can directly procure reactors from China. Chinese are very close to a commercial thorium reactor.

 

[TheInsider]

World's Second Largest Rare Earth Elements Reserve Found in Eskişehir


Another important discovery was made in Eskişehir Beylikova, where 10 of the 17 rare earth elements (REE) known in the world are located. While the largest REE reserve in the world is located in China with 800 million tons, the reserve found in Beylikova Mine Field of Eti Maden Enterprises in Eskişehir ranked second with 694 million tons.

Pointing out that Beylikova is the best mining area in the world, also known as grade quality, Istanbul Mineral Exporters' Association (İMİB) Board Member Metin Çekiç said that 1200 tons of ore will be processed annually in the pilot facility established in the first stage. Noting that the pilot plant will reach 570 thousand tons of ore processing capacity after the first works, Çekiç noted that 10 thousand tons of REE, 72 thousand tons of barite, 70 thousand tons of fluorite and 250 thousand tons of thorium will be processed annually.

Çekiç said that Turkey's REE reserve is in a position to meet the world's 1000-year need; “The barite to be obtained; It will be used as an additive material in industrial products, oil or natural gas drilling wells, paint and paper production. Fluorite, on the other hand, is used in steel metallurgy, hydrochloric acid production, high-octane gasoline production and pesticide production; It is the main material of many industries such as food, cement, colored glass, optics, plastics industry and ceramics production…”

Çekiç; He stated that the REE concentrate to be obtained after the ores are enriched will contribute as a raw material to many important sectors such as hybrid vehicle batteries, flint stone production, camera and telescope glass and energy storage systems, night vision goggles, special glasses and lenses. Çekiç continued: “In the last stage, magnet and thorium oxide will be obtained as end products. The magnets will be used in eye surgery, the production of high-power infrared green lasers, distance measuring devices, and products such as glass and welding glasses. Thorium oxide will be used as an end product in hybrid automobile engines, glass and ceramic products, fiber optic cables, high-value products such as television screens and energy-saving glass.”

Çekiç; “When Turkey's REE is processed, it will contribute billions of dollars to our economy and improve our country's welfare, while creating serious employment for the local people and our youth. We have understood much better how important raw materials are in the process we live in. Unearthing our mines will reduce our current account deficit and enable our country to be among the leading countries of the world.” said.

Dünyanın En Büyük İkinci ‘Nadir Toprak Elementleri’...

Dünyada bilinen 17 nadir toprak elementlerinden (NTE) 10 tanesinin yer aldığı Eskişehir Beylikova’da önemli bir keşif daha yapıldı.

madencilikturkiye.com

Your chart is completely wrong. China's reserves would be 800 million tons, not 44 million tons. Even the facility to be established will have a processing capacity of 570 thousand tons. With this calculation, we should have finished these reserves in 15-20 years. That's why the friends you gave the source created a completely fabricated graphic.

By the way, the site I linked is a site specialized in mining news. So it is not possible that there is a problem with my source.

The chart is not wrong. It shows the total reserves of China after the ore is processed and turned into REE oxides. And it should also be either estimated or possible REE reserves.

Proven Turkish reserves are around 15MT if we calculate it in REE oxides.

BTW China has the Bayan Obo area but there are also other areas in China so the 44MT should also cover those. Bayan Obo alone has 800MT ore reserves.

 

[fire starter]

We have a thorium molten salt reactor project. If it fails we can directly procure reactors from China. Chinese are very close to a commercial thorium reactor.

Better collabprate with any country Chinese have also done the same.

 

[Tsenal]

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Encyclopedia of Chemical Processing and Design

"Written by engineers for engineers (with over 150 International Editorial Advisory Board members),this highly lauded resource provides up-to-the-minute information on the chemical processes, methods, practices, products, and standards in the chemical, and related, industries. "

books.google.com.tr

Complex reserves and rare earth element reserves are different terms. I found a good resource for confusion

So is it 800 million tons of ore and 44 million tons of refined materials?

 

[Bogeyman]

So is it 800 million tons of ore and 44 million tons of refined materials?

that's right

 

[Mustafa27]

There is this news :https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-rare-earth-reserve-attracts-china-interest-scorn
I have no idea where they got their information from but this is what they are saying.


The initial plans include the construction of a pilot facility to annually process 1,200 tonnes of minerals.

These will include rare earth minerals, such as eight tonnes of lanthanum oxide, 13 tonnes of cerium oxide, three tonnes of neodymium oxide, one tonne of praseodymium oxide and half a tonne of mixed rare earth concentrate - as well as 365 tonnes of fluorite and 300 tonnes of barite, which are non-rare earth minerals but valuable nonetheless.

Light:
Cerium
lanthanum
neodymium (<- most important light rare element).
praseodymium (<- imo second most important light rare element)

This is only 4, they still haven't told us the rest, if i remember they said it 10 materials they can extract from here. But from what we can even see from the ones they announced, its still good.

Edit some uses:
Neodymium: It is used in everything from mobile phones and electric cars to medical equipment. Neodymium is also the main light rare earth used in the creation of permanent magnets, which are heavily used in data storage systems and wind turbines.
praseodymium: It is used in alloys with magnesium to form aircraft engines, and it also finds use in the film industry for studio lighting and other projects. Like many rare earth metals, praseodymium plays a role in creating permanent magnets.
Cerium: Used in catalytic converters in cars, enabling them to run at high temperatures and playing a crucial role in the chemical reactions in the converter. Lanthanum and cerium are also used in the process of refining crude oil.
lanthanum: This element is used in camera and telescope lenses. Compounds containing lanthanum are used extensively in carbon lighting applications, such as studio lighting and cinema projection.

 

[TR_123456]

Better collabprate with any country Chinese have also done the same.

How far is the Indian Thorium reactor?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

And how you are going to build thorium reactors?

 

[Nilgiri]

How far is the Indian Thorium reactor?

The (Smaller) test reactor reached its design output capacity of 40 MW recently.

The larger prototype reactor (500 MW) is facing ongoing issues and delays.

Summary of the situation AFAIK is the (liquid sodium) cooling system and control systems have major design challenges at the larger scale.

Other than that, all that depends afterwards is the economic viability (all the costs involved)....as this breeder design will burn thorium....and also produce surplus U-233 for use in more conventional reactors....but all of that takes tremendous investment.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1665070857293639681

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1739568805750149230

Images from Eskişehir Beylikova Fluorite, Barite and Rare Earth Elements Business Facility

With the pilot plant established, 1200 tons of ore will be processed in the first stage. Work is continuing to establish an industrial facility that will produce 10 thousand tons of rare earth oxide per year.

 

[Timur]

We have a thorium molten salt reactor project. If it fails we can directly procure reactors from China. Chinese are very close to a commercial thorium reactor.

after one year aka today I heard they started it and are ready

Operating permit issued for Chinese molten salt reactor

The Shanghai Institute of Applied Physics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences has been granted an operating licence for the experimental TMSR-LF1 thorium-powered molten-salt reactor, construction of which started in Wuwei city, Gansu province, in September 2018.;

world-nuclear-news.org

 

[Strong AI]

France aims to deepen cooperation with Türkiye on critical minerals

* Benjamin Gallezot, the French Interministerial Delegate for Strategic Minerals and Metals Supply: “We need to engage in technical cooperation through technology transfer. We also need to provide financial support for such projects.”

Benjamin Gallezot, France’s Interministerial Delegate for the Supply of Strategic Minerals and Metals, stated that France wants to strengthen cooperation with Türkiye in the field of critical minerals and aims to deepen this cooperation over time at both governmental and corporate levels.

Speaking to an Anadolu Agency correspondent, Gallezot emphasized that international cooperation, technology transfer, and financial support are of critical importance for ensuring supply security and diversification in critical minerals.

He noted that the technical capacity for supplying critical minerals already exists, saying, “We need to develop these resources, and cooperation is very important for that.”

Gallezot said the issue was discussed with member countries during the OECD Critical Minerals Forum held in Istanbul in April, adding, “The OECD is a very suitable platform for enhancing this cooperation. This is a collaboration involving many countries. Türkiye is a very important country considering both its industrial capacity and natural resources.”

He also mentioned that he held meetings in Istanbul with relevant ministers regarding possible France–Türkiye cooperation on critical minerals, saying, “We want to improve cooperation between France and Türkiye. However, this needs to be addressed within a multilateral framework. We need to establish technical cooperation through technology transfer. We need to provide financial support for such projects. Some French institutions have already invested in the critical minerals sector in Türkiye.”

* “We will evaluate all possibilities”

Gallezot stated that cooperation opportunities between Türkiye and France are still in the evaluation stage and pointed out that many French companies are already investing in Türkiye.

Highlighting that Türkiye has an ambitious policy for developing its mining resources, Gallezot said:

“As France, we have particularly strong technical expertise in the field of rare earth elements. The technology for separating these rare earth elements was developed in France more than 80 years ago. We are still at the beginning of the discussions. We will evaluate all possibilities. We will gradually develop relations both between our governments and our companies over time.”

He added that preliminary talks are already underway, saying, “Time will show how this will take shape according to Türkiye’s needs. At the moment, there is no concrete idea defined yet. The discussions are more exploratory in nature.”

* “Supply diversification requires multilateral cooperation”

Gallezot explained that critical minerals are found in many everyday products and materials and are used in renewable energy production, batteries, electronics, and industry.

Pointing out that there are a total of 50 critical minerals, he said, “It is necessary to ensure that these are supplied at adequate levels. Supply diversification is also necessary. International cooperation is important precisely for this reason, because ensuring diversification in supply requires cooperation among multiple countries.”

Emphasizing the importance of diversification in supply chains, Gallezot said:

“Diversification is the key to supply policy, whether in energy or critical minerals. All countries around the world want diversity in supply. This is not unique to the EU, but the EU is active on this issue. France is also quite active. Diversifying supply is possible because there is diversity in natural resources. These resources exist in different countries around the world, including France.”

He noted that the diversification process would take time, adding, “It will take several years, but it is possible. International cooperation is the key point here. Resources, technology, skills, and financing need to be brought together, and this requires the efforts of many countries.”

Fransa, Türkiye ile kritik minerallerde işbirliğini derinleştirmeyi hedefliyor

- Fransa Stratejik Mineraller ve Metaller Tedarikinden Sorumlu Bakanlıklararası Delege Benjamin Gallezot: "Teknoloji transferi yoluyla teknik işbirliği yapmamız lazım. Bu tür projeler için finansman desteği sağlamamız gerekiyor" - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Timur]

what do we get out of it? like our gold 38 tons for outside and just 1 ton for us? some time passed maybe there are news about our share of it.. I dont think we get much out of it for ourselves

 

[what]

Wrong thread? @begturan

 

[Saithan]

I think it would be treason to mine and export the raw minerals. I believe we need to squeeze full tech / knowledge transfer for the minerals so we can proces them for domestic use, and export.

It would be best to limit mining first, then export secondarily. We have to be on guard for politicians and greedy entrepreneurs, so MIT should conduct investigations on those involved in decision making on rare minerals.