Air-Force How is the Egyptian Air Force able to operate its fleet of mixed origin?

[Mis_TR_Like]

How is the Egyptian Air Force able to operate its fleet of mixed origin?

It’s rare to witness an air force flying fighter jets and helicopters of different origins, but Egypt operates aircraft from Russia, China, the United States and European nations.

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[Philip the Arab]

Don't the Indians do the same? They have many different types of aircraft from many different countries in their inventories.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Don't the Indians do the same? They have many different types of aircraft from many different countries in their inventories.

Yes. I think both nation's have bought from both east and west for either political reasons or to get the best deal. Interesting to see how they will use these systems together.

The way I see it, India sees the purchase of foreign equipment as a temporary thing, until they are fully capable of producing everything including 5th/6th generation jets. Egypt on the other hand will probably continue to try and implement solutions which will make all their assets fully interoperable. As it is not feasible for Egypt to produce a next generation fighter jet, they will install systems which will make their fleet as coherent as possible. Very interested to see how this look.

 

[Ryder]

Yes. I think both nation's have bought from both east and west for either political reasons or to get the best deal. Interesting to see how they will use these systems together.

The way I see it, India sees the purchase of foreign equipment as a temporary thing, until they are fully capable of producing everything including 5th/6th generation jets. Egypt on the other hand will probably continue to try and implement solutions which will make all their assets fully interoperable.

Quite a nightmare too. A pilot good with a MIG does not mean his good with F16s or French jets.

 

[Amun]

first of all ... this is not a new thing for the Egyptian Army .... this weapon diversification started 40 years ago ...

the Egyptian philosophy of this diversification .... is not to rely solely in one country or axis ( East or West ) .... to get some sort of independence .

although the fully integration of the different systems is some challenging .... but you have to know that Egypt has developed domes IFF system for all its weapons 20 years ago .... and continue to develop it .

 

[ekemenirtu]

Complete independence in weapons industry remains a mirage, a dream, for many countries.

Only a few countries, which are big enough, upwards of 500 million people may be, are able to pull it off.

Ultimately, the single most important criterion is the size of a country's population.

Smaller countries, or medium sized countries, are bound to be less powerful in the grander scheme of things. Ceteris paribus. Holding other factors constant.

Since all countries in the Middle East, Balkans, Central Asia, Caucasus or North Africa are small countries, you get the result you see.

Much bigger countries from outside can come in and do anything they want.

Population, population, population.

It's all about population.

 

[Reviewbrah]

This is just to give an brief idea without writing an essay

Egypt Air Force (EAF) is very logistically complex as there is so many aircraft from different origin. Lack of standardization is a big issue as Egypt wouldn't be able to use the aircraft to their potential.

Egypt is has the 4th largest F16 fleet yet one of the least capable, mainly due to not having AIM-120 and lack of modernization. Egyptian F16 currently depend on AIM-7 for beyond visual range (BVR) missiles. Lacks new electronic systems such as AESA radars and electronic warfare suites. Limited number of external fuel tank capable aircraft.

EAF Mirage 2000's are not modernized.

EAF Mig 29s looks to be much more capable than EAF's F16s. If they have AESA/PESA radars and modern electronic warfare suite (very likely export variants). R-77 is the Russian equivalent of AIM-120. Indian Air Force did not have good experiences with R-77 and wants to replace them with I-Derby. Egypt also lost 2 Mig-29s since their delivery starting 2017. Raising questions about their maintenance quality.

Dassault Rafale is the most capable aircraft Egypt has. AESA radar, Electronic Warfare Suite, and IRST sensor etc. EAF Rafale's use MICA missiles not Meteor. Unless Egypt acquires Meteor or/and more Rafale aircraft. Lack of BVR missiles and number aircraft will be the limiting factor.

Egypt is buying Su-35s but considering that it will not have early warning system support and will use R-77 which prevents Su-35s from becoming a serious threat also not to forget it will be export version.

Egypt has 7 E-2C Hawkeye. It was last modernized back in 2007. How capable they are and if they could be operated together with F16's and other western aircraft like Rafale is a question.

Egypt also lacks tanker aircraft.

 

[adenl]

Against the IAF, the Egyptians are outranged and outgunned by the more superior AIM-120C vs the R-77 and MICA. The recent acquisitions of the Russian and French fighters have not tipped the balance in favor of Egypt. And with the induction of the F-35 in the IAF, that won't change anytime soon.