TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Zafer]

152 is the number of days to pass before which

Kızılelma will fly
TB3 will fly
Hürjet will fly
Atak 2 will fly
TFX will taxi

Other planes and helicopters within a year.

We just need the engines, planes are already near their completion.

 

[dBSPL]

The point of it is actually much deeper then you realise. Turkey, Pakistan, Qatar and Azerbaijan are standardising their primary air force training. All four countries will operate the same aircraft and exchange students. Hurkus-II is to become standardised among all four countries as well for basic training, hence why it's being further developed to meet all four countries requirements.

There is an intense struggle for Malaysia's 18+18 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) and Fighter Lead-In Trainer (FLIT) tender. If we can be successful here, we can add Malaysia to this group.

 

[Yasar_TR]

You're right.
It doesn't matter how long TurAF can keep the Phantoms operational, we need an injection of relatively more modern fighter aircraft.
Although I'm not a big fan of the Typhoon, I think a couple of squadrons won't be too bad given that we can integrate own systems/weapons to them.
I wish we could just get those F-16s and the mod kits.

Modern aircraft injection is a must for our airforce.
Like all planes Typhoons have weaknesses and problems. But in essence they are the best 4++ generation fighter jets around in their latest guise being prepared for RAF. If you read the second part of my post #1249 on this page, you will see that the new hybrid Aesa radar is so good that they claim it is better than anything on any fighter jet at the moment. They are grooming it for Tempest. If we can include that in the deal, it would be just superb.
I myself am not a big fan of stealth planes. Mainly because of the restriction of carrying the full load the aircraft can carry. A typhoon can carry in beast mode 14 Meteor a2a missiles. With the new ECRS-MK2 Aesa radar, it can see all current non stealth jets before they can see it, and dispose of them with ease. Potentially, one ECRS-MK2 equipped Typhhon can dispose of 14 Rafales.

From economical and ease of logistical point, f16 purchase is the ideal route. But I still think a couple of squadrons of Typoon would be the correct move .

 

[Rodeo]

152 is the number of days to pass before which

Kızılelma will fly
TB3 will fly
Hürjet will fly
Atak 2 will fly
TFX will taxi

Other planes and helicopters within a year.

We just need the engines, planes are already near their completion.

The likelyhood of those events happening on or by that date, to me, are;

Kızılelma will fly (%95)

TB3 will fly (75%)

Hürjet will fly (50%)

Atak 2 will fly (<10%)

TFX will taxi (70% by cutting some corners)

We shouldn't be obsessed with the date. The important thing is to fly when it's reasonably safe unless you wanna jeopardize the entire programs by risking a catastrophic failure.

 

[dBSPL]

A similar project to ÖZGÜR (F-16 Block 30 Avionic Modernization) is being developed for F-16 Block 40 and Block 50 aircrafts.

Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı Teşkilatı'nda Değişiklik

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı'nda kapsamlı bir değişiklik gerçekleştirildi. Başkanlık bünyesinde çeşitli kadrolar açıldı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

According to the information given by Savunmasanayist.com, the delivery of the first mass-produced aircraft in the Özgür modernization program will take place in 2022.

 

[Yasar_TR]

A similar project to ÖZGÜR (F-16 Block 30 Avionic Modernization) is being developed for F-16 Block 40 and Block 50 aircrafts.

Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı Teşkilatı'nda Değişiklik

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı'nda kapsamlı bir değişiklik gerçekleştirildi. Başkanlık bünyesinde çeşitli kadrolar açıldı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

According to the information given by Savunmasanayist.com, the delivery of the first mass-produced aircraft in the Özgür modernization program will take place in 2022.

Firstly @dBSPL , I think you have shared the wrong source for your post. Something tells me it should be this one.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582075499701944325

Nevertheless, the news itself is fantastic. That means that we are showing the US the two fingers and getting on with our own modernisation program. However without the Aesa radar the Özgür doesn’t really mean much. The key in this modernisation is the Aesa radar Aselsan was preparing. Until it is in situ on the F16s, I am holding back my enthusiasm.
There Is also a very important detail that is lying here in this twitter news:
Block-50 planes are included in the Özgür modernisation program. We have 79 of these planes. We were supposed to be buying KITs from the US for them. If we are saying we are going ahead with the modernisation of these 79 planes as well, we really have no confidence in the latest F16 purchase project being realised.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

If we are saying we are going ahead with the modernisation of these 79 planes as well, we really have no confidence in the latest F16 purchase project being realised.

I see it a little differently.
Having learnt from previous "all eggs in one basket" experiences, I think developing such initiatives to make them ready to apply if things don't go as they're supposed to, instead of waiting for the red tape and the deliberately complex decision making of the US administration, would save us a lot of time and trouble.
If the y won't sell, plan B would be halfway ready, if they do, we could still further develop and use them in future modernizations if needed.
That's what I think.

 

[dBSPL]

mevcut - exists
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F-16 Blok 40/50 Savaş Uçaklarına ÖZGÜR Modernizasyonu

ASELSAN, F-16 Blok 30 uçaklarının modernizasyonu için yürütülen ÖZGÜR Projesi'nin bir benzerinin F-16 Blok 40 ve Blok 50'ler için gerçekleştirileceğini açıkladı

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Heartbang]

View attachment 49084
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F-16 Blok 40/50 Savaş Uçaklarına ÖZGÜR Modernizasyonu

ASELSAN, F-16 Blok 30 uçaklarının modernizasyonu için yürütülen ÖZGÜR Projesi'nin bir benzerinin F-16 Blok 40 ve Blok 50'ler için gerçekleştirileceğini açıkladı

www.savunmasanayist.com

whats with the MOD-S being FAZ-2? what does it mean?

 

[Radonsider]

View attachment 49084
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F-16 Blok 40/50 Savaş Uçaklarına ÖZGÜR Modernizasyonu

ASELSAN, F-16 Blok 30 uçaklarının modernizasyonu için yürütülen ÖZGÜR Projesi'nin bir benzerinin F-16 Blok 40 ve Blok 50'ler için gerçekleştirileceğini açıkladı

www.savunmasanayist.com

I wonder why Anil Şahin didn't include AESA radar in this table, in official ASELSAN brochure it was included

 

[dBSPL]

whats with the MOD-S being FAZ-2? what does it mean?

IFF Mode

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582584237986701312

 

[Radonsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582584237986701312

And talking by my experience in Falcon BMS, altitude affects range more than speed,

The envelope which you gain more range with speed is over 1.5 Mach,

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583761518746664960

The Ministry of Defense of Spain has not yet decided what to do with the 13 A400M transport aircraft it will initially receive from 2025 and which it does not plan to use.

Spain doesn't know what to do with the ordered 13 A400M aircraft

Ministry of Defense of Spain hasn't yet decided what to do with 13 A400M aircraft it will initially receive from 2025 and which it does not plan to use.

bulgarianmilitary.com

The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) has added the Royal Air Force’s (Raf) C-130J fleet to its list of military equipment that will be made available for sale through the Defence Equipment Sales Authority (DESA) from 2023, which is slated to be the out-of-service date for the type.

UK C-130Js listed for sale by MoD - Airforce Technology

The move to sell the 14-strong fixed-wing tactical airlift fleet had been on the cards for some time, leaving a gap in RAF air mobility.

www.airforce-technology.com

Spain has an order for 13 A-400Ms that it does not know what to do with and the UK MoD has decided to sell 14 C-130J (mostly J-30 C4) transport aircraft. I hope our defense ministry is seizing these opportunities.

 

[Ripley]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583761518746664960

The Ministry of Defense of Spain has not yet decided what to do with the 13 A400M transport aircraft it will initially receive from 2025 and which it does not plan to use.

Spain doesn't know what to do with the ordered 13 A400M aircraft

Ministry of Defense of Spain hasn't yet decided what to do with 13 A400M aircraft it will initially receive from 2025 and which it does not plan to use.

bulgarianmilitary.com

The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) has added the Royal Air Force’s (Raf) C-130J fleet to its list of military equipment that will be made available for sale through the Defence Equipment Sales Authority (DESA) from 2023, which is slated to be the out-of-service date for the type.

UK C-130Js listed for sale by MoD - Airforce Technology

The move to sell the 14-strong fixed-wing tactical airlift fleet had been on the cards for some time, leaving a gap in RAF air mobility.

www.airforce-technology.com

Spain has an order for 13 A-400Ms that it does not know what to do with and the UK MoD has decided to sell 14 C-130J (mostly J-30 C4) transport aircraft. I hope our defense ministry is seizing these opportunities.

I don’t see how C-130J would fit in the TuAF as it’s almost a different and older platform but A-400Ms of Spanish Air Forces we definitely must go for.
Turkish A400 fleet, as it turns out, was already working at full capacity with 10 aircraft and when you consider the fact that 2 of them are as good as written off after 8 months of absence in Ukraine, now the fleet is overwhelmed.
Spain doesn’t need them, we need them. Win-win situation.
I hope we go to Spanish with a proposal.

 

[Tornadoss]

I don’t see how C-130J would fit in the TuAF as it’s almost a different and older platform but A-400Ms of Spanish Air Forces we definitely must go for.
Turkish A400 fleet, as it turns out, was already working at full capacity with 10 aircraft and when you consider the fact that 2 of them are as good as written off after 8 months of absence in Ukraine, now the fleet is overwhelmed.
Spain doesn’t need them, we need them. Win-win situation.
I hope we go to Spanish with a proposal.

C-130J is relatively new compared the other C-130s we already have. I am not sure how much structural conditions but if they can cheaply obtained why not? It's already a system TUAF using.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

If turkey can afford both platforms then why dont take both? A400m has double capacity compared to the c-130J.

 

[Ripley]

C-130J is relatively new compared the other C-130s we already have. I am not sure how much structural conditions but if they can cheaply obtained why not? It's already a system TUAF using.

Well I just said TuAF should opt out because
- they’re still 20-25 years old aircraft
- their engines are different and would require a new logistic inventory
- And probably TuAF would have to go through an entire avionics renovation and a fuselage and body overhaul.
Other than that, to my knowledge, their users were happy with performance increase in every aspect

 

[Cypro]

I don’t see how C-130J would fit in the TuAF as it’s almost a different and older platform but A-400Ms of Spanish Air Forces we definitely must go for.
Turkish A400 fleet, as it turns out, was already working at full capacity with 10 aircraft and when you consider the fact that 2 of them are as good as written off after 8 months of absence in Ukraine, now the fleet is overwhelmed.
Spain doesn’t need them, we need them. Win-win situation.
I hope we go to Spanish with a proposal.

C-130J is Super Hercules, much modern and newer than current fleet of C-130s in TurAF's inventory. TurAF is using Hercules for decades and even purchased second much older C-130Es from KSA 10 years ago. It is much cheaper to purchase and operate than A400Ms, it can even be converted to fireplanes or replace old C130s in the inventory. TurAF definitely need them, on the other hand A400Ms Spain is considering to sell are not second hand, they are not even built yet, it won't be cheaper than purchasing new ones, a small fortune, while there would be collaboration alternatives with Antonov, it is waste of money.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

They can go really high - 18000m. and carry more payload and are faster than even f16s.

why not use this platform for delivering oversized payloads. Maybe like air launched TRG-230 or a 300 GMLRS ?
Deploying these munitions from high altitudes and close to mach would extend their range and possibly increase speed ?