TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

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Since a couple people mentioned a MAM 2, are there any specifications or any report that something is in development?
 

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Hmm. Seems you right. But that's isnt change the speed potentional of this missile my master. I asked h.kılıç about what is the speed of that kind of guided artilery rocket. He is idea is not more than mach 5 until terminal not more than mach 6-8 when diveing.
Bravejanissary,
Sorry for late response. As I am new to forum Iam reading through the shared messages;
that information you were given is totally wrong and has no substance.
This is a 210kg missile. All “TRG“ series missiles have ballistic trajectories. It goes up to around 30km under it’s engine power. Then it starts to dive in to it’s target. As the air above 15km is very rare, the drag is low. Hence the missile increases speed. It reaches a speed of around 4.2 Mach. But as the missile is free falling it is subject to terminal velocity laws. After 15km height, as the missile is getting closer to earth the air density increases and it’s speed decreases due to air drag. The terminal velocity formula would give an idea of the type of speed this missile reaches when it hits ground:
v = √2mg/pCA Where,
v = velocity in m/sec
m = mass of rocket in kg (as the rocket will have burnt out all it’s fuel let’s say 150kg)
g = 9.8m/s2
p = density of air ~ 1.21kg/m3
C = coefficient of air resistance (for an aerodynamic missile diving at a near perpendicular it is ~ 0.04)
A = cross section of missile in m2 (0.23 x 023 = 0.053 m2)
This means ~340m/s is the speed of impact. Which is approx 1 Mach.

ps just look at the detail given by Israeli rampage missile ; which is the 300mm version of the same. As it is heavier it would be faster when it hits the ground. Hence the speed of ~1.5 Mach
For example a Bora missile should hit the ground at approx 4 Mach.
 

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Since a couple people mentioned a MAM 2, are there any specifications or any report that something is in development?

We got verbal confirmation from Roketsan about new versions and variants of MAM. There is no info other than that as of right now
 

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Canister launched kamikaze drone family:

Alpagu -I personnel carried
Alpagu -II armored car carried
Alpagu -III Air launched
Alpagu -IV Ship / Truck launched.

I wonder why TEI TJ90-TJ35 -TP38 wasn't utilized on kamikaze drones or NLOS missiles, or catapult launched UAVs? These were used on experimental UAVs of TAI before ANKA, or as a preparation to ANKA project. TP38 has an airlaunch mode similar to the TJ300 which possibly can be used with folding propeller and canister launched- for ER drones.
 

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Canister launched kamikaze drone family:

Alpagu -I personnel carried
Alpagu -II armored car carried
Alpagu -III Air launched
Alpagu -IV Ship / Truck launched.

I wonder why TEI TJ90-TJ35 -TP38 wasn't utilized on kamikaze drones or NLOS missiles, or catapult launched UAVs? These were used on experimental UAVs of TAI before ANKA, or as a preparation to ANKA project. TP38 has an airlaunch mode similar to the TJ300 which possibly can be used with folding propeller and canister launched- for ER drones.
Too bad the industry didn't make use of the micro gas turbines in their work as they could be perfect APUs and range extenders for hybrid power-plants of robotic vehicles. Perhaps they will in the future.
 

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