TR TFX Name Suggestion Dıscussions

[moz68k]

I don't think Asena is an appropriate name for a fighter jet. In the folk tales, Asena is characterized as a compassionate and caregiving being.
The only thing TFX is going to give is a black eye and a heaping spoonful of whoop-ass. Doesn't make sense!

Hence TurAF's naming of our KC-135R Stratotanker 101st Squadron "Asenalar".

 

[BalkanTurk90]

TF (23) Yildiz (Star)
I hope TFX reach mach 2.5 or even 3 with its powerful engines just like a star powerful and beaty

 

[Nutuk]

How about the name Yeniçeri than?

It's bot historical, fearsome fighter and Turkish that slashes through the enemy. I don't like the idea to have a phonetic English sounding name, it should remain pure blood Turkish.

Ejderha would have been nice but already taken

 

[Chocopie]

How about the name Yeniçeri than?

It's bot historical, fearsome fighter and Turkish that slashes through the enemy. I don't like the idea to have a phonetic English sounding name, it should remain pure blood Turkish.

Ejderha would have been nice but already taken

I‘m sorry, no offense, but aren‘t Yeniçeri the opposite of being pure blood Turkish?

Janissaries began as elite corps made up through the devşirme system of child levy, by which Christian Albanians, Romanians, Armenians, Bulgarians, Croats, Greeks and Serbs were taken, levied, subjected to circumcision and conversion to Islam, and incorporated into the Ottoman army.

 

[Nutuk]

Who cares whether devsirme (so were our sultans in a way), important is that they were the elite soldiers of the Ottoman army

 

[Corvus]

Skywolf sounds awesome for international market but Gökbörü is a bit difficult because of too many Turkish characters.

What about these names:

Sancak
Halisdemir
Gökalp

 

[Ripley]

Who cares whether devsirme (so were our sultans in a way), important is that they were the elite soldiers of the Ottoman army

I beg to differ my friend. Ottoman sultans were no way devshirme just because until after conquest of Constantinople some princes were married to some Serbian princesses (even few Byzantine brides)

Since the dynasty of Osman follows on male succession, Ottoman male royalty can not be married to a non-Muslim before she was converted to Islam in the harem, be it a random concubine or be it sultan’s wife hence maintaining a perfect Islamic marital bondage.

The house of Osman was an Islamic dynasty and even hundred years after the abolishment of sultanate the members of the house to this day still puts Islam as the defining tenet of the the house.

 

[Heartbang]

Who cares whether devsirme (so were our sultans in a way), important is that they were the elite soldiers of the Ottoman army

No. We wouldn't hear the end of it from the Greeks and the Serbs.

 

[Baryshx]

I don't think Asena is an appropriate name for a fighter jet. In the folk tales, Asena is characterized as a compassionate and caregiving being.
The only thing TFX is going to give is a black eye and a heaping spoonful of whoop-ass. Doesn't make sense!

Then let's name him Erlik, the merciless, ruthless one.

 

[Tsenal]

Whatever they decide on, it should be a Turkic origin word. I don't agree with Anadolu Kartalı because "Anadolu" is of Greek origin.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Guys I'm afraid decision makers will ragequit and name it Karabaş in the end lmao

"Cengiz" would have my vote though. People should learn who they're dealing with. It's globally known. Plus it would do us good regarding our Central Asian brothers including Mongols. We need to actively start building a common identity beyond empty words. Dedicating this huge achievement to the mightiest ruler of Mongolian (and Turkic) peoples would be really good. Same with "Temur" btw.

Islamists would object though so no luck I guess

Actually, when you think about it, any old turkic name would fit if there isn't any phonetic tomfoolery going on.

Also, this: https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Türk_Hava_Kuvvetleri_komutanları_listesi

 

[Corvus]

Whatever they decide on, it should be a Turkic origin word. I don't agree with Anadolu Kartalı because "Anadolu" is of Greek origin.

I respectfully disagree. A true nationalism requiers a solid, unconcerned confidence and even pride. What we have in Turkey is not nationalism but a collective anxiety disorder.

We should have the confidence that, if a word is Turkified, if it can be understood by Turkish speakers, if it is in common use, that means it's Turkish. Mustafa Kemal-Fatih are Turkish names, Istanbul-Ankara-İzmir are Turkish city names, lahmacun-kebap are Turkish food names etc.

If we give up things based on origin, should we give up on whole Anadolu and go back to our Central Asian steppes as Greeks dream? Hell no.

Thus, Anadolu is Turkish and it will remain Turkish.

 

[Nutuk]

I beg to differ my friend. Ottoman sultans were no way devshirme just because until after conquest of Constantinople some princes were married to some Serbian princesses (even few Byzantine brides)

Since the dynasty of Osman follows on male succession, Ottoman male royalty can not be married to a non-Muslim before she was converted to Islam in the harem, be it a random concubine or be it sultan’s wife hence maintaining a perfect Islamic marital bondage.

The house of Osman was an Islamic dynasty and even hundred years after the abolishment of sultanate the members of the house to this day still puts Islam as the defining tenet of the the house.

I take you know that from the 32 Sultans 30 had a Christian mother (30 generations in a row)

 

[TheInsider]

We should name the Turkish version Gökbörü and the export/international version Skywolf and actively market TFX with the Skywolf name in the international arena similar to Bora/Khan. This solves everything.

Skywolf also makes sense because TFX will command a "wolf pack" that consists of Kızılelma and Anka-3. We should market the complete package under the wolf pack brand.

 

[TheInsider]

I take you know that from the 32 Sultans 30 had a Christian mother (30 generations in a row)

This is not true.

 

[dBSPL]

Not my wish, just a guess:

TMU-15 Anadolu Kartalı
* TMU - Türk Muharip Uçağı/Turkish Combatant Aircraft,
** (1)(5) - Single pilot/fifth generation
*** Anadolu Eagle (probably some want to referring to a historical phenomenon expressing unity and power through Seljuks etc. or a Turkish-Islamic figure with a mythological connection)
****Also, for people who are sufficiently politicized, this coding can also be reminiscent of July 15.

 

[Nutuk]

This is not true.

It is according to history books, unless you claim they are false

 

[BalkanTurk90]

It is according to history books, unless you claim they are false

They were not christian but ex christian , they converted to Islam . Every Christian or muslim is ex atheist , christian or other religion

 

[Baryshx]

Not my wish, just a guess:

TMU-15 Anadolu Kartalı
* TMU - Türk Muharip Uçağı/Turkish Combatant Aircraft,
** (1)(5) - Single pilot/fifth generation
*** Anadolu Eagle (probably some want to referring to a historical phenomenon expressing unity and power through Seljuks etc. or a Turkish-Islamic figure with a mythological connection)
****Also, for people who are sufficiently politicized, this coding can also be reminiscent of July 15.

In fact, the name MMU is also flawed. Should have been USU (Ulusal Savaş Uçağı).

Milli and Muharip is of Arabic origin. It may be a detail, it may have become part of our language, but that is the truth.

 

[dBSPL]

In fact, the name MMU is also flawed. Should have been USU (Ulusal Savaş Uçağı).

Milli and Muharip is of Arabic origin. It may be a detail, it may have become part of our language, but that is the truth.

USU pronunciation sounds great but on the other hand, ending as -SU is another problem. lol. like Updated Sukhoi

It can be a (U)lusal (S)avaşçı - US - instead.

Also, US literally means in Turkish: the ability to establish necessary relations between events or concepts, to perceive and grasp these relations, to understand, to think complexly. Simply, mind or intelligence.

And as everyone knows, in English "we" or "us" refers to a set, including the person saying it.

Since the MMU represents a concept in which intelligent machines and pilots will act together as a collective mind, a semantic link can be established.

***

U- Common code
S- Class code (Combatant/Savaşçı)
1-2 (can be number of pilots or number of engines)
4-6 (could be the code indicating the generation)

For example, if ANKA-3 is also coded with this type of designation, its name could be UB/UI-15. (Ulusal bombardıman/Ulusal İnsansız- Single engined and ability to conduct joint operations with 5th generation fighter jets)

This is just a suggestion, it would be nice to have a clear platform coding system. Soon we will have so many different platforms that even knowing their individual names may not be easy, except for aviation enthusiasts. These names can also be kept, but I think it would be much better if the air forces make a common coding. The same is valid for ammunition groups.