Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Philip the Arab]

are there any contender other than brahmos ? Kongsberg ? SAAB ? Roketsan or MBDA ?

not only i thought brahmos would be very hard to move around for shoot and scoot purpose unless they were meant to be completely stationary (they used 12x12 truck platform for such missile), im in favor to western approach of smaller, subsonic and stealthier sea skimming cruise/AShM missile that can be carried with much more smaller and mobile 8x8 , 6x6 or even 4x4 truck platform such as NSM, Gungnir, KARA ATMACA, or Land Based Exocet block 3c.

also contemplating that some of it's component are still sourced from russia.

Cooperation with UAE could be an option, I think their coastal defense system will be ready soon.

And of course that cooperation could expand to the naval domain in the future as well.

And I agree, subsonic sea skimming has a better history then fast movers and is far harder to detect to counter.

 

[Umigami]

Puspenerbal MPA

 

[rai456]

Cooperation with UAE could be an option, I think their coastal defense system will be ready soon.

And of course that cooperation could expand to the naval domain in the future as well.

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And I agree, subsonic sea skimming has a better history then fast movers and is far harder to detect to counter.

Subsonic sea skimming is only potentially harder to counter if it is stealthy as well like the LRASM. A normal subsonic sea skimming missile isn't going to be harder to intercept than a supersonic sea skimming missile like the Brahmos. Going three times faster means you have a third of the time to intercept. New hypersonic missiles that are 5 or more times faster give you even less time to intercept but they are not normally sea skimming.

The NSM is stealthy but not as much as the LRASM. Would still be a good option due to its light weight.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1636571146404655109

 

[chibiyabi]

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any offset from the indian side ?

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[Philip the Arab]

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Subsonic sea skimming is only potentially harder to counter if it is stealthy as well like the LRASM. A normal subsonic sea skimming missile isn't going to be harder to intercept than a supersonic sea skimming missile like the Brahmos. Going three times faster means you have a third of the time to intercept. New hypersonic missiles that are 5 or more times faster give you even less time to intercept but they are not normally sea skimming.

The NSM is stealthy but not as much as the LRASM. Would still be a good option due to its light weight.

There is a chance they convert their stealthy cruise missile design into an AsHM design.

NATO is generally more used to training in countering fast movers than sea skimmers for obvious reasons. Brahmos is no challenge for US/UK/French navy imo.

 

[satria]

Finally Marinir will use Rhan 122B Pindad

https://jdih.kemhan.go.id/2023/03/16/finalisasi-kontrak-pengadaan-munisi-60-mm-mortir-dan-roket-r-han-122.html

 

[rai456]

NATO is generally more used to training in countering fast movers than sea skimmers for obvious reasons

Brahmos and some the the fast movers are also sea skimmers. Those missiles can travel at mach 3 while staying at only a few meters above sea level.

The advantage of Western missiles are in better electronics and now stealth. Not sea skimming which many Russian and Chinese missiles can do.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637016879356350465

 

[JATOSINT]

Sounds familiar?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637291974469517313

 

[R4duga]

Sounds familiar?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637291974469517313

only if the amphibious landing operation on somali coast does really happened, and then TNI realize that their assets are lacking for overseas deployment operation, it may paved a way for a thing like LHD, Larger Logistic Vessels, more air assets for kormar or Penerbal, at the very best wet dream scenario, fulfillment for Expeditionary Strike Group as part of MEF plan may actually happened.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637532892778868736

 

[satria]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637532892778868736

as I expected

 

[satria]

 

[Lordimperator]

DS30M gun? and C705?

 

[deadlast]

DS30M gun? and C705?

OTO Marlin WS COAX 30mm and dummy C705 boxes.

 

[Lordimperator]

dummy C705 boxes.

Dummy, Care to explain why they didnt fit it with atleast one missile?

 

[deadlast]

Dummy, Care to explain why they didnt fit it with atleast one missile?

The "Fast Attack Craft - Missile" nomenclature in the Clurit-class family is only represented by KRI Clurit & KRI Kujang, they are the only two in their class that has proper radar, FCS, CMS and missiles, the rest of the class is nothing more than glorified patrol craft, not even has a proper search radar, let alone CMS or AShM.

 

[norman88]

 

[Umigami]

I think U214 NG and repairing our Nagapasa in German isn't a bad offer (if true)