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I don't know what Turkey is aiming for, but if I had to choose, it would be an aircraft carrier.
What Turkiye needs most are AAW destroyers and heavy multi-purpose frigates (AAW, ASW) and indigenously designed 3,000+ t SSK (with domestic AIP or Li-Ion batteries) like the MILDEN. These projects alone will eat up all naval budget resources in the coming decade.

And these warships and submarines would be the escort base for a future aircraft carrier group, if Turkiye decides to buy into this expensive adventure.
 

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For Korea: I‘m all for nuclear-propelled submarines with SLBM. In the next decades we have to go nuclear and SSN are the perfect deterrence. Every dollar spent will secure the survival of our people.

An aircraft carrier is expensive and not a real strategic deterrence. It will show them Chinese and Japanese: „Ni hao and konichiwa, f*ckers, see, we have fancy toys too.“
Yooo calm down lmaoooo this comment made my day I haven't laughed this in a while thank you chocopie
 
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IMO we would need at least 3x 5,000-6,000 t SSN to hunt down DPRK ballistic missile submarines, Chinese and Japanese carrier groups and as a 2nd strike retaliation platform with more powerful, longer range SLBMs … and at best with nuclear warheads on the tips 😉
Does South Korea have any realistic plans for circumventing the NNPT?
 

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What Turkiye needs most are AAW destroyers and heavy multi-purpose frigates (AAW, ASW) and indigenously designed 3,000+ t SSK (with domestic AIP or Li-Ion batteries) like the MILDEN. These projects alone will eat up all naval budget resources in the coming decade.

And these warships and submarines would be the escort base for a future aircraft carrier group, if Turkiye decides to buy into this expensive adventure.
SSKs are fine for the mediterranean. Turkiye does not need SSNs unless it wants to project power outside the mediterranean and that will be very difficult without a naval base outside the med.

Having to send your fleet through the Suez or Gibraltar in a real war seems very risky.
 

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I believe it wouldn't be too difficult for Turkey to build a carrier group equal to France and Britain. Turkey could also increase its carrier group capabilities by using USVs as an alternative to adding additional ships.

If building the ships, maybe not that difficult for industrialized nation like Turkey...but the difficult part is the know how of actually operating naval aviation on their level. The PLA Navy started their carrier based naval aviation since 2012..11 years had passed and they're not even close to the French let alone the U.S. Although they're catching up real fast and from the look of it have already surpassed India in carrier based operation.
 

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The vast majority of reactors designed for naval purposes are of the PWR type, while the other important detail is that the US, the UK and Russia in particular are producing nuclear marine reactors based on steam turbine propulsion. There is a reason why I draw attention to these three countries. Turkiye is currently interested in SMRs designed or manufactured by companies such as Westinghouse, GE and R&R plc. We can naturally add Russia to this list. There is no official announcement yet, but there was information from US sources that there was a negotiation process involving about 20 reactors. The SMRs of these companies are also of PWR type. I think this issue (SMR) is one of the unofficial extensions of the EF-F16 dilemma. Eventually, there may be a domestic jet and a Russian SMR. Anyway... This is new news, but in general, there is a will to create a nuclear industry in the country and there are processes going on one way or another. Of course, it would be pure speculation to link the SMR industry with this submarine propulsion, and even then there are significant design differences. First and foremost, there is the issue of noiselessness. Submarine nuclear drives, for example, can use natural circulation for most of their full power without coolant pumps.

But the connection I want to make is that some of the companies I wrote, or not mentioned above, are also companies that produce or design nuclear reactors for submarines and aircraft carriers. I think bringing the SMR industry into the Turkish energy infrastructure will help us move forward in many ways. Of course, progress in nuclear technology depends on the existence of a developed industry and a highly qualified workforce. One way to do this, as the South Korean experience shows, is to start by importing nuclear reactors from foreign countries, and then, with a determined and stable political will, to establish a domestic nuclear industry; in this way, it is possible to achieve a leap forward. Over time, South Korea has built up the skilled human resources to design its own nuclear reactors and power plants, a development that should be taken as an example by countries around the world. In the process that started with nuclear power plants built by foreign companies, South Korea has managed to increase this rate to 98 percent today by developing its own reactor technology, while the localization rate it was able to achieve was 2 percent at first.

South Korea is building its own nuclear submarine today. A country that was almost completely devastated just 70 years ago, and which has gone through many economic crises: the industrial progress they have made today should be included in the textbooks of our country.

trivia:
> Works in the nuclear field in Turkiye began in 1955. About 5 years after we sent troops to Korea.
> In 61, the first experimental reactor was commissioned. 1 year before South Korea.
> Since 1976, the Akkuyu NPP project, which had been shelved or canceled in every tender process, was finally finalized in 2010. South Korea was one of the countries bidding for this NPP. They had built their first nuclear power plant in 1986, with Westinghouse designed reactors.



Sorry then, besides the news I shared the link to, there is also a lot of similiar reports on net. By accepting these as true, I had inferred that the work on this issue had reached a certain point. Thank you for the correction.

Rolls-Royce SMR will support international efforts to decarbonise energy systems, with a forecast to target £250bn of exports. Memorandums of Understanding are already in place with Estonia, Turkey and the Czech Republic.

 

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Given the trends in the defense industry and the capability building of the armed forces, in 20 years' time the two regional rivals will be France and Russia, who are at the same time one official and the other unofficial frenemies. Not Greece etc. There will be points of cooperation and areas of conflict. Hinterlands and ambitions intersecting. Which one is more visible is another matter. We will also continue to have difficulties with the US as long as it challenges TR's national interests. In order to pursue an independent policy against the traditional hegemons of the region, TR needs to gain some basic strategic capabilities.

Military and diplomatic power seem to be the two leading elements of this preparation for competition. I don't know how much you are aware, but in terms of diplomatic missions, TR has one of the 5-6 largest operations in the world. The focus is almost entirely not on traditional diplomatic network, but on the rest of the world, primarily Africa&Asia. We are trying to bring the defense industry to a level close to that in terms of capability sets and opportunities. The foreign trade and economic pillar is too short at the moment. It is difficult for TR to make tangible progress on this issue without addressing its energy dependence and the extraordinarily large hole it has created in the budget.

The issue of aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines is not a dream of today, but of the late 2030s, maybe 2040s. It is only when you start to characterize the conditions and see that the clues are in a certain order that we can make inferences about what the direction is or what kind of design is being made.
 
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Russia won't be a rival to anything for a LOOOONG time. Their navy was always a clownshow, but with Ukraine, the rest is definitely getting there.
Without going too far off topic, I would like to say briefly that we do not even have a quarter of the submarine industry of Russia, which you despise. Russia is stuck in a quagmire and may suffer a complete defeat on Ukraine, but as long as it maintains its underground riches, its industrial infrastructure in some critical areas and its presence at the academic level, the Russians in our north will always be a nation that renews its ambitions. In any case, a complete disintegration of this country is not in Turkiye's national interests btw. A Russia with one foot in the grave is a model we will always prefer. We can discuss this in detail in a more appropriate thread. Ultimately, what I wanted to say above is that there are strong barriers on TR's natural borders. You need to be equipped to push them.
 

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Steel cutting ceremony for all 3 remaining I-Class frigates have taken place. TCG Izmir, Izmit and Icel’s hulls have been laid.
They will be produced in three different sites; Sedef, Sefine and Anadolu Shipyards.
All three ships will be delivered within a timescale of 36 months.

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WIth current economy it's hard to maintain the one "carrier group".
There is no way Turkey have economic means to maintain 3 carrier group at the same time. You need escort ships, submarines, auxiliary ships to each one of them. Then, you need to protect your territorial waters. This is just a nice dream.
 

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WIth current economy it's hard to maintain the one "carrier group".
There is no way Turkey have economic means to maintain 3 carrier group at the same time. You need escort ships, submarines, auxiliary ships to each one of them. Then, you need to protect your territorial waters. This is just a nice dream.
You can have multiple carriers in one group, however.
 

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Türkiye has more interests in places than its continuous waters alone. You want to transfer your technological capabilities to your power projection abilities. We are not afraid of troubles when we need to protect our interests.
Turkey can only have pragmatic interest. Central Asia Caucasus and Balkan. For that in the regards of navy only strengthening Albanian navy is of some interest. Even Albania in long run is questionable. Seemingly in Albania, Vatican and some other factors are trying hard , let's say to " Christinas" Albania. In Albania, Macedonian Albanians aren't popular, because they are the staunchly Ottomans. These are not my observations but the observations of friend of mine who is Albin Kurti advicer.
As other projection of the power in the far away seas, Turkey needs a partner . That partner can only be Pakistan also Pakistan is going down fast real fast . So it would be real good for Turkiye to make this as long as so called brotherly countries pay and give some tangible guarantees and that ain't happening. So building interests in those areas can be only done by the different means.
 

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I want to see a medium stealthy jet for the aircraft carrier. Around 40 low observable jets on a carrier would make Turkey a global power.

MMU will be ready for service in 2030 and I think Tusaş will have a lot of its resources freed up as time goes on. If they start early design studies now, we will be able to have a jet ready by 2040.
 

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TTAB design. What a beast!
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Sensor and missiles:

-Cenk-S radar
-ARES and AREAS ES and EA systems
-Akrep FCR
-76mm MKE Gun
-Levent or Gökdeniz Air defence
-8x Atmaca or Çakır SSM
 
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