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[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1650121609259171842

4 ÇAKIR missiles can be carried internally if the volume won't be a pain in the ass

 

[Zafer]

Anka-3 seams pointy enough to go supersonic, if it flies high enough it should be able to fly fast.

 

[Era_shield]

What would be the reason as to TAI not making the exhaust section of ANKA-III stealthy?

Exhaust section of nUEROn powered by Rolls-Royce Turbomeca Adour
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To me it looks simple enough to do and with the resources that TEI has, having developed exhaust sections of turbofan/gas engines - I don't see why it wasn't achieved in the prototype ANKA-III

TAI must be holding some cards up their sleeve. The US kept the rear section of the B-2 secret for decades. I think TAI has a "public" version of this drone which can be used for development and testing and for public viewing. Ball gimbal on a stealth flying wing drone...for sure some TAI engineers had a laugh about that.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1650121609259171842

4 ÇAKIR missiles can be carried internally if the volume won't be a pain in the ass

I think the critical information here is that it gives clues about the structural lifting limits of the aircraft. For example, when the desired thrust level is reached, that is, with a higher class engine, can the aircraft lift ammunition over 2,5/2,6 tons in beast mode? I don't know what would be the most powerful engine that can be fitted to this aircraft in terms of thrust and whether it would be enough, but i think, structurally the aircraft can lift this load.

 

[Kaan Azman]

They said high bypass turbofan but I am sure this prototype is powered by AI-25 or AI-322. And don't take the total of hardpoints, some munitions like SOM are too large for internal bays, thus you have to carry them onboard external bays with equal capacity.

 

[Turan]

Do you think Anka 3, carrying a Gokdogan missile on its internal weapon station, could shoot down a light attack aircraft like Albatros with the assistance of a Barış Kartalı aircraft?

 

[Heartbang]

Do you think Anka 3, carrying a Gokdogan missile on its internal weapon station, could shoot down a light attack aircraft like Albatros with the assistance of a Barış Kartalı aircraft?

With the kind of stealth it has, it can sneak next to and down an AWACS.

 

[Turan]

So, can Anka 3 bring down LCAs like Albatros from BVR with the support of Barış Kartalı?

With the kind of stealth it has, it can sneak next to and down an AWACS

 

[Heartbang]

So, can Anka 3 bring down LCAs like Albatros from BVR with the support of Barış Kartalı?

In a pinch, yes.
Although there are better ways to do that. Preferably you'd want to use a platform more maneuverable and decked out to down a fighter jet, such as Kızılelma or Hürjet.

 

[Yasar_TR]

They said high bypass turbofan but I am sure this prototype is powered by AI-25 or AI-322. And don't take the total of hardpoints, some munitions like SOM are too large for internal bays, thus you have to carry them onboard external bays with equal capacity.

If it is AI-25 it is a medium bypass turbofan engine with a bypass ratio of 2.0:1
Bayraktar MIUS (KE) uses the same engine; AI25-TLT if I am not mistaken.
AI-322 is a lower bypass turbofan with a bypass ratio of 1.19:1.

Both engines with slightly higher bypass ratios than most low bypass engines like RR Adour (0.7:1) , Honeywell F124 (0.47:1), will be more congruent with a stealth platform. (TF6000 has a bypass ratio of 1.08:1)

Boeing X45-C changed the power plant to a F404-GE-102D non afterburner engine with a 9040lbf thrust, from a 6200lbf F124 Honeywell engine of X45A. It has a payload capacity of 2041 kg, after the wing geometry and engine have been improved and the plane was enlarged.

Anka-3 is a true flying wing. It should be able to lift well. But a bigger and more powerful engine (or may be two) like TF6000 will be the right medicine for heavier payloads.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I like flying wings as much as the next guy, and of course as it's a scale model for national tv, displaying the payload outside makes sense for the laymen, but, what's the point of a flying wing that can carry 1500ks internally, if it will carry a AselPod(?) on the outside with two SOMs on the wings? It was the same with the prototype and Şimşek drones on the wings. External load takes away every advantage the flying wing configuration creates for low observability.

It's just weird how they're presenting it like this. Is LO by structural design not one of the design cues for Anka-3? I thought it was.

The stealthiness of the aircraft is needed when said aircraft is in the range of enemy AD radars.

External munition compromise the stealthiness but when that is comprised of long-range kamikaze drones or SOM, then the secondary targets in a mission could be met with the release of the external munition, then the internal munition would be used for the primary target which normally is beyond critical lines and whithin the range of enemy radars.
Simple really.

 

[I_Love_F16]

The stealthiness of the aircraft is needed when said aircraft is in the range of enemy AD radars.

External munition compromise the stealthiness but when that is comprised of long-range kamikaze drones or SOM, then the secondary targets in a mission could be met with the release of the external munition, then the internal munition would be used for the primary target which normally is beyond critical lines and whithin the range of enemy radars.
Simple really.

Problem is that the hardpoints that will hold the SOM’s will still compromise the RCS of the aircraft, even after the launch, compared to a ‘’clean’’ configuration.

 

[boredaf]

Problem is that the hardpoints that will hold the SOM’s will still compromise the RCS of the aircraft, even after the launch, compared to a ‘’clean’’ configuration.

Hard points can be jettisoned just like in F-22 and F-35.

 

[TheInsider]

If it can carry 4x Çakır in internal weapon bays and 2x Sahte hedef or şimşek on the external hardpoints it will be a great force multiplier.

 

[dBSPL]

If it can carry 4x Çakır in internal weapon bays and 2x Sahte hedef or şimşek on the external hardpoints it will be a great force multiplier.

Lets asume an imaginary target 2500 km away, south of the Mediterranean Sea ( ) : 3/4 ANKA-3 B2s to take off from Konya: 2 Şimşek on the outer pylons under the wing, 150 US gallon (+550lt) drop tanks on the inner pylons, 24/32 SDB ammunition in total. Forward patrol by 3 KE B2s taking off from the command and control ship TCG Anadolu in the Libyan sea. First line, GEZGIN missiles from TCG ISTANBUL and TCG IZMIR frigates with AKINCI-C illumination. Second saturation comes with Şimşek drones. And SDBs are for leaving nothing behind. Two or three of the Şimşek drones will parachute into the Libyan deserts back, the others with warheads and kamikaze roles. So Fully unmanned strategic deep attack with a total of 12/15 drones. Maybe it is quite primitive compared to 30 years later, but in the end, we are witnessing an era in which brand new perspectives will emerge in combat aviation, and just as SB said, the paradigm may change. The possibilities and new capabilities are literally thrilling.

By the way, it's the last week of April. According to official statements, we are now at most 1 week away from TAI's big trunk show. Insider ve Maddog üstadlar fazla açık etmiyor ama bence büyük şeyler göreceğiz. lol.

 

[sh. Abdj]

How many TB2, Anka 1, Aksungu, Akinci, Anka 3, kizilelma you think should be Available for the military and why?

 

[TR_123456]

How many TB2, Anka 1, Aksungu, Akinci, Anka 3, kizilelma you think should be Available for the military and why?

What do you mean,how many we need or should at least have?

 

[sh. Abdj]

What do you mean,how many we need or should at least have?

The question is just to understand why Turkey is Politicaly SuperPower while in Production rate is acting like a regional power. Turkey is having problem with Greece which could Turn to War with EU and maybe even US support, Turkey is few Kilometers from Russia, and Turkey brothers in Kazakhstan are on the border with China,... And after all that people in this forum are saying 300 kizilelma and 300 Anka is so much while the reality it is so small, The bigger problem TAI is not ramping up production of any product even Anka 1, or Aksungur.

 

[I_Love_F16]

The question is just to understand why Turkey is Politicaly SuperPower while in Production rate is acting like a regional power. Turkey is having problem with Greece which could Turn to War with EU and maybe even US support, Turkey is few Kilometers from Russia, and Turkey brothers in Kazakhstan are on the border with China,... And after all that people in this forum are saying 300 kizilelma and 300 Anka is so much while the reality it is so small, The bigger problem TAI is not ramping up production of any product even Anka 1, or Aksungur.

Because sophisticated UAV are not cheap either. The cost of a single Anka is between 25 to 30 millions dollars. Now multiply 30 millions with 300 … In reality the Army gets those drones at a reduced price, but still. A few dozens of each is actually enough. And Turkey and Greece will never go to war, the US will not allow it.

 

[Mehmed Ali]

Because sophisticated UAV are not cheap either. The cost of a single Anka is between 25 to 30 millions dollars. Now multiply 30 millions with 300 … In reality the Army gets those drones at a reduced price, but still. A few dozens of each is actually enough. And Turkey and Greece will never go to war, the US will not allow it.

Well, I am not so sure about your theory that Turkey won't go to the war against Greece or whatever. I realised a long ago the nature of the things around me. History, mentality, instincts etc . Also if I may add in the struggle for my country which lasts since early 80s and unfortunately it involves having " complex" experiences , I for a second do not doubt in the incoming conflicts. Moreover I don't doubt the conflicts on the European soil. Simply that's how certain realities and numbers are strucked . The massive psychosis is prelevant .