Iran Unveils New Homegrown Multiple Ballistic ‘Missile Gun’

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On November 4th, Iran’s Channel 1 aired the unveiling of “missile machine gun”, a system capable of rapidly and accurately firing long-range ballistic missiles. “This means that if the enemies of this country decide to make a mistake, they would have no opportunity to move or breathe,” Channel 1 reporter said.


“This newest innovation from the IRGC’s Aerospace Force is a smart system capable of rapid or timed fire of ballistic missiles,” Channel 1 reporter noted. “More than anything, this is evidence of the liveliness and the dynamic nature of the Islamic Revolution.”

According to Channel 1 news, all of Iran’s underground missile cities will be equipped with this technology.


IRGC Commander-in-Chief General Hossein Salami, who made an address at the unveiling, said that Iran must prove its technical, tactical, operational, and strategic “control” over the enemy.



This is just one of Iran’s dozens of missile cities that contain the launch silos, the warehouses, the carriages, and the containers that store the missiles upright and ready to be launched. This showcases their new and destructive capacity to those who want to meddle with Iran.

“Today, this capability guarantees that our regime will continue to live and to deter its enemies,” Salami said.


The IRGC unveiling of the missile machine gun coincided with the US presidential election, where the two candidates Joe Biden and Donald Trump despite disagreeing on many issues, have both shared concerns about Iran’s missile program.



The same concerns have also been expressed by the United Nations and European leaders, who have previously stressed on Iran to come to the negotiating table regarding its missiles.


However, this is a demand the Iranian government has continuously rejected, defending its missile program as a legitimate right guaranteed by its doctrine of deterrence.

 

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I gotta say Iran certainly isnt lacking in terms of Ballistic missiles, especially in SRBM and MRBM.
 
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I gotta say Iran certainly isnt lacking in terms of Ballistic missiles, especially in SRBM and MRBM.

It is argued that on account of certain political reasons, that are not very convincing to me, they restrict the stated ranges of all ballistic missiles to 2000 km.

Certainly, their Sejjil or Khorramshahr family of ballistic missiles would be able to deliver a nuclear warhead, if deployed, farther than 2000 km. Some of the static/ground tests conducted by them and spotted by satellites indicate their ability to scale up and throw greater payloads to greater distances.

Close collaboration with North Korea only indicates their latent capability to scale up when the political decision is made. That would be a reasonable estimate.

Insiders can tell better, of course.
 

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Germany launched 3000+ ballistic missiles towards UK during the final years of ww2, and it doesn't turn the tide of war. although I'm not questioning the havoc these missile will generate once hostilities break out in the gulf, I don't think ballistic missiles will won the war for Iran (unless if Iran have nukes , that's another story).

the sortie generation by jets , in which Israel and the Gulf as well as the US have plenty is more than that of number of missile warhead by Iran, this consider that no one will totally launch all their missiles at the same time.
 

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It is argued that on account of certain political reasons, that are not very convincing to me, they restrict the stated ranges of all ballistic missiles to 2000 km.
It's so they don't get the Europeans flustered for no reason - which seems to have largely worked. Khorramshahr has a 1800kg warhead to keep its range within 2000km. With a "normal" sized <ton warhead it could easily hit central and maybe western Europe.
 
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Germany launched 3000+ ballistic missiles towards UK during the final years of ww2, and it doesn't turn the tide of war. although I'm not questioning the havoc these missile will generate once hostilities break out in the gulf, I don't think ballistic missiles will won the war for Iran (unless if Iran have nukes , that's another story).

the sortie generation by jets , in which Israel and the Gulf as well as the US have plenty is more than that of number of missile warhead by Iran, this consider that no one will totally launch all their missiles at the same time.

The V2 is not comparable to the missiles Iran has. Iran has much more of them and they are much more precise and reliable. The amount of missiles that Iran can fire at the same time is close to 1000. In a couple of salvos which would take less than half a day, all of the military and strategic places of Irans adversaries could be destroyed.

A 1st Gulf war military build-up will not work against Iran.
 

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In a couple of salvos which would take less than half a day, all of the military and strategic places of Irans adversaries could be destroyed.
That is if you consider everything is static, the US and it's allies are mobile, it'll need extensive ISR to actually find and locate enemy assets especially when we talk about country the size of Saudi Arabia.

Not to mention extensive ABM system like that of the THAAD, which means not all missile's will get through.
 
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That is if you consider everything is static, the US and it's allies are mobile, it'll need extensive ISR to actually find and locate enemy assets especially when we talk about country the size of Saudi Arabia.

Not to mention extensive ABM system like that of the THAAD, which means not all missile's will get through.
Airbases are pretty much static. Take them out and one has much less to worry about.
 
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Germany launched 3000+ ballistic missiles towards UK during the final years of ww2, and it doesn't turn the tide of war. although I'm not questioning the havoc these missile will generate once hostilities break out in the gulf, I don't think ballistic missiles will won the war for Iran (unless if Iran have nukes , that's another story).

the sortie generation by jets , in which Israel and the Gulf as well as the US have plenty is more than that of number of missile warhead by Iran, this consider that no one will totally launch all their missiles at the same time.

Disclaimer:
I am not privy to the internal discussions or decision making process within the Iranian, Arab, Israeli or American regimes.

Therefore, the reality may wildly differ from my estimates based on publicly available information.

However, I doubt any member of any nationality or persuasion would be privy to classified information in a public forum. If they were, they would be prevented from discussions in such fora under most circumstances.

With that disclaimer out of the way, here are my two cents.

1. Nazi German V2 ballistic missiles were of considerably shorter range and of poorer accuracy compared to their Iranian counterparts. The attacks on Ain al Assad airbase in Iraq was a case in point.

2. There is no reason Iranian arsenal of ballistic missiles should be limited to a paltry number such as 3,000.

A much larger arsenal of 300,000 - or more - Iranian ballistic missiles would not surprise me. At the same time, it would not surprise me if the arsenal turned out be much smaller. There is little verifiable information in the public domain for us to make a judgement on this issue.

3. By the same token, since the USA failed to win in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, and since Saudi Arabia has failed to win in Yemen (against the Houthis), we could say airpower would be mostly irrelevant. This is ignoring the relatively significant and competent, barring incidents like the shootdown of the Ukrainian airliner earlier this year, air defence force under the command of the IRGC, I believe. If I am wrong on this matter, some Iranian members such as @AmirIGM may correct me.


4. In reality, the outcomes of war are unlikely to be dictated by airpower alone. A threat that Iran has strictly prepared against. The question to be asked is: Why do not the US Armed Forces, or that of Israel, abandon their nuclear weapons arsenal and ICBM/ballistic missile arsenals, if airpower were the one and only decisive factor in war? If airpower were the be all and end all, would not Russian Armed Forces or the PLA have abandoned their nuclear arsenals and their delivery methods via ballistic missiles long ago?

5. These theories are often propagated to justify the existence of giant corporations in the military-industrial complex that churn out aircrafts and associated components for their militaries to target mostly unarmed, defenceless and often, innocent people - from countries that are too small, too weak, too backward, too poor, too isolated or one or more of the aforementioned.

6. Without these absurd theories being regurgitated in the public domain, it will be hard to justify the existence of certain huge corporations that "pilfer" - I would say - a not so insignificant amount of money from public coffers through "legalized corruption".
 
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No, not this time. I may incorporate it into another one down the line.
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How do you get that verified tag? You can start a personal conversation if you want. No need to derail the thread.
 
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It's so they don't get the Europeans flustered for no reason - which seems to have largely worked. Khorramshahr has a 1800kg warhead to keep its range within 2000km. With a "normal" sized <ton warhead it could easily hit central and maybe western Europe.

Unconvincing.

Unless there is evidence that Iranian regime and/or the people benefit significantly from this arrangement, the decision to resrict the ranges of ballistic missiles seems unconvincing.

I have heard plenty of Iranian citizens complain, whine if you like, about the hardships they have to endure due to wider Western embargo. Not sure how reliable such anecdotes are.

If those anecdotes are valid, and they seem to be valid going by public reports in the Iranian media, why would Iran choose to alleviate the concerns of Europeans - who have done nothing to alleviate the concerns of Iranians in return?

The argument does not seem to be very convincing.
 

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How do you get that verified tag? You can start a personal conversation if you want. No need to derail the thread.
My Twitter and blog is somewhat of an anomaly for the English-language Iranian military sphere. Hence the DefenceHub team kindly granted it to me as they did to Oryx and Hakan Kiliç.
Unconvincing.

Unless there is evidence that Iranian regime and/or the people benefit significantly from this arrangement, the decision to resrict the ranges of ballistic missiles seems unconvincing.

I have heard plenty of Iranian citizens complain, whine if you like, about the hardships they have to endure due to wider Western embargo. Not sure how reliable such anecdotes are.

If those anecdotes are valid, and they seem to be valid going by public reports in the Iranian media, why would Iran choose to alleviate the concerns of Europeans - who have done nothing to alleviate the concerns of Iranians in return?

The argument does not seem to be very convincing.
The economic sanctions are put in place by the Americans, not the Europeans (at least not to the extent that it makes any difference). Therefore, there is no need to be overt about Iran's ability to hit Europe (with a Khorramshahr fitted with a lighter warhead). Iran will reveal that capability if and when it needs to.
 
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My Twitter and blog is somewhat of an anomaly for the English-language Iranian military sphere. Hence the DefenceHub team kindly granted it to me as they did to Oryx and Hakan Kiliç.

The economic sanctions are put in place by the Americans, not the Europeans (at least not to the extent that it makes any difference). Therefore, there is no need to be overt about Iran's ability to hit Europe (with a Khorramshahr fitted with a lighter warhead). Iran will reveal that capability if and when it needs to.

Thanks for the info. I will bear that in mind if I decide to obtain the same tag.

From what little I can gather, having followed Iranian regime propaganda if you like, and the propaganda from the other side, I am led to believe that despite emphatic claims of grand technological breakthroughs and scientific achievements, Iranian regime still lacks a critical mass of indigenous technologies and industrial might to convert its intent into deployable systems.

It is for this reason that the regime needs trade with Europe and the West to continue while the reverse is obviously not true. With a tiny/insignificant population of approximately 80 million, Iran (or Turkey or Egypt or any other regional country) is not in a position to develop and produce every single required item for its domestic civilian and defence markets.

Prominent examples would be computer chips, oil and gas exploration tools, medical devices and aircrafts and related components. There are many other specialized devices such as scientific devices (chromatography systems, for example), software and machinery used in their production where Iran or any regional country would be severely lacking.

Those are the pitfalls of a tiny population. A country with a tiny population trying to challenge the USA, the leader of the Western world, is a mistake for precisely that reason.

If I am not mistaken, Khorramshahr is the infamous Musudan ballistic missile used by North Korea. In effect, the Iranian regime is still telling the world it has failed to develop a ballistic missile system capable of travelling farther than 2,000 km.

A country without a huge population has no chance whatsoever of challenging the Western world. Unless you are able to churn out the Newtons, Gausses, Eulers and other extraordinarily intelligent European individuals by the hundreds, a smaller country stands no chance against a developed country that is multiple times bigger. Nowadays, no country produces intellectual stalwarts of such calibre. Absolute population size, therefore, remains the best determinant of a country's geopolitical potential. Exceptions remain. Indonesia, with the world's fourth largest population, is a prominent exception to that rule. The primary reason it is an exception to the rule is the relative lack of advanced technologies developed by its people or acquired through legal or unlawful means from abroad. Their population is also severely underrepresented in global efforts for advancing the state of the art in the sciences or in technology.

Therefore, the only countries willing and able - in some shape, way or form - of challenging Western hegemony are the most populous ones. The obvious candidate is China on account of its huge population. The less obvious candidate would be India, though owing to its lower development stage in comparison, it would take a much longer time to pose a challenge of some sorts to the Western order. That assumes India would be able to challenge the Western order at all at any time in the future.

As a legacy of the past and the successor state of the USSR, with a permanent membership of the UNSC and perhaps the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, Russia provides a geopolitical and military challenge in many respects but not a comprehensive challenger to Western hegemony due to a lack of required population. With its middling 140 million people, Russia can play second fiddle to bigger established powers and perhaps, much bigger, emerging powers.

Going back to Iran, the distance from Diego Garcia to Iran is greater than 3,500 km. Without testing and validating the test results, is there a definitive method of determining if Iran can target and disable that island for military use against Iran?

To cut the discussion short, the most definitive way of deterring the United States from military action is targeting its population (countervalue) in a major way. Let's say, elimination of >90% of US population in the first hours of any conflict serves as a very effective deterrent.

Counterforce targeting may appear appealing to unassuming lurkers on web fora but very expensive and less effective in providing deterrence.

By default, due to the geographical locations of the USA, any system that can target continental USA can target anywhere in Europe if launched from Iran.

There is just no convenient way of escaping this reality.

By avoiding such tests and revealing such information to its own public , the Iranian regime sows the seeds of discontent while their economy is floundering under sanctions, mismanagement, corruption, embargo and experiencing propaganda warfare, destabilization attempts, subversion and possible regime change, despite whatever the official mantra of the US or Israeli regimes may be.

Think of the Iranian public suffering from such difficulties and also fearing for their lives, their family members, their heritage, their religion, their country, their existence due to a possible strike, invasion and subsequent occupation of Iran. In much the same way that its immediate neighbours to the West and the East had suffered prior to the Iranian regime signing JCPOA.

Would those people feel comfortable and hopeful about living in Iran? About furthering their careers, businesses and lives in Iran? Or would they migrate abroad for greener pastures? The answer should be obvious. We see that in emigration statistics from Iran.

The Iranian regime obviously missed a trick or two in not developing, producing and testing Intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear bombs decades ago.

I believe the Iranian regime is not necessarily led by the most intelligent and/or prudent leaders. They make a lot of miscalculations.
 
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Thanks for the info. I will bear that in mind if I decide to obtain the same tag.

From what little I can gather, having followed Iranian regime propaganda if you like, and the propaganda from the other side, I am led to believe that despite emphatic claims of grand technological breakthroughs and scientific achievements, Iranian regime still lacks a critical mass of indigenous technologies and industrial might to convert its intent into deployable systems.

It is for this reason that the regime needs trade with Europe and the West to continue while the reverse is obviously not true. With a tiny/insignificant population of approximately 80 million, Iran (or Turkey or Egypt or any other regional country) is not in a position to develop and produce every single required item for its domestic civilian and defence markets.

Prominent examples would be computer chips, oil and gas exploration tools, medical devices and aircrafts and related components. There are many other specialized devices such as scientific devices (chromatography systems, for example), software and machinery used in their production where Iran or any regional country would be severely lacking.

Those are the pitfalls of a tiny population. A country with a tiny population trying to challenge the USA, the leader of the Western world, is a mistake for precisely that reason.

If I am not mistaken, Khorramshahr is the infamous Musudan ballistic missile used by North Korea. In effect, the Iranian regime is still telling the world it has failed to develop a ballistic missile system capable of travelling farther than 2,000 km.

A country without a huge population has no chance whatsoever of challenging the Western world. Unless you are able to churn out the Newtons, Gausses, Eulers and other extraordinarily intelligent European individuals by the hundreds, a smaller country stands no chance against a developed country that is multiple times bigger. Nowadays, no country produces intellectual stalwarts of such calibre. Absolute population size, therefore, remains the best determinant of a country's geopolitical potential. Exceptions remain. Indonesia, with the world's fourth largest population, is a prominent exception to that rule. The primary reason it is an exception to the rule is the relative lack of advanced technologies developed by its people or acquired through legal or unlawful means from abroad. Their population is also severely underrepresented in global efforts for advancing the state of the art in the sciences or in technology.

Therefore, the only countries willing and able - in some shape, way or form - of challenging Western hegemony are the most populous ones. The obvious candidate is China on account of its huge population. The less obvious candidate would be India, though owing to its lower development stage in comparison, it would take a much longer time to pose a challenge of some sorts to the Western order. That assumes India would be able to challenge the Western order at all at any time in the future.

As a legacy of the past and the successor state of the USSR, with a permanent membership of the UNSC and perhaps the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, Russia provides a geopolitical and military challenge in many respects but not a comprehensive challenger to Western hegemony due to a lack of required population. With its middling 140 million people, Russia can play second fiddle to bigger established powers and perhaps, much bigger, emerging powers.

Going back to Iran, the distance from Diego Garcia to Iran is greater than 3,500 km. Without testing and validating the test results, is there a definitive method of determining if Iran can target and disable that island for military use against Iran?

To cut the discussion short, the most definitive way of deterring the United States from military action is targeting its population (countervalue) in a major way. Let's say, elimination of >90% of US population in the first hours of any conflict serves as a very effective deterrent.

Counterforce targeting may appear appealing to unassuming lurkers on web fora but very expensive and less effective in providing deterrence.

By default, due to the geographical locations of the USA, any system that can target continental USA can target anywhere in Europe if launched from Iran.

There is just no convenient way of escaping this reality.

By avoiding such tests and revealing such information to its own public , the Iranian regime sows the seeds of discontent while their economy is floundering under sanctions, mismanagement, corruption, embargo and experiencing propaganda warfare, destabilization attempts, subversion and possible regime change, despite whatever the official mantra of the US or Israeli regimes may be.

Think of the Iranian public suffering from such difficulties and also fearing for their lives, their family members, their heritage, their religion, their country, their existence due to a possible strike, invasion and subsequent occupation of Iran. In much the same way that its immediate neighbours to the West and the East had suffered prior to the Iranian regime signing JCPOA.

Would those people feel comfortable and hopeful about living in Iran? About furthering their careers, businesses and lives in Iran? Or would they migrate abroad for greener pastures? The answer should be obvious. We see that in emigration statistics from Iran.

The Iranian regime obviously missed a trick or two in not developing, producing and testing Intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear bombs decades ago.

I believe the Iranian regime is not necessarily led by the most intelligent and/or prudent leaders. They make a lot of miscalculations.

1. Iran's ambitions are regional, not global.
2. The geopolitical and economic cost of nuclear weapons is too high for Iran.
3. Your points about "critical mass" with regard to technological development are in parts moot, in others inconsistent with reality.
 

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