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Haplogroups mean very little. It's the autosomal DNA one has to look at. And results are not pretty for Armenians on that front. They have a very flimsy connection to original Indo-European migrators.

Anyway that's off topic. What will happen next is the real question, especially with regards to Zengezur, Iranian threats, Westoid response etc.
 

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Haplogroups mean very little. It's the autosomal DNA one has to look at. And results are not pretty for Armenians on that front. They have a very flimsy connection to original Indo-European migrators.

Anyway that's off topic. What will happen next is the real question, especially with regards to Zengezur, Iranian threats, Westoid response etc.
Nope; not how it works.
 

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You mean by taking over internationally recognised territory of Armenia? Cause I don't see any other way in the map.
I read it as stepping in to pull Armenia out from under Russian influence and into our own. Seems impossible but stranger things have occurred.
 

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I read it as stepping in to pull Armenia out from under Russian influence and into our own. Seems impossible but stranger things have occurred.

Rather they'd collapse and get annexed by Russia or something. That'd be one less concern for us and they can spend the next 100 years crying about a different imaginary genocide when they feel the Rus' gentle touch again. They'll never come under the influence of the Turkish sphere of influence whilst they're taught to dehumanise and hate us from birth. You can't deprogram that sort of evil mindset overnight, it'd take generations.
 

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Azerbaijan’s vice president: “Armenia is not abiding by the 2020 agreement regarding the Zangezur corridor. We warn them”

as I said, this is not over.
 
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It is a historic threshold in the severing of ties between Armenia and Russia. More precisely, the current Armenia has evolved into an insidious boil that no longer serves the interests of Russia, which founded it. If we can use it correctly, the centuries-awaited gateway to greater-east will open. In fact, if luck is on our side, it could even turn into an opportunity to drain the real boil, nut just barriers.
Or with the influencial diaspora in US it might turn into a second Israel, gotta be careful what we wish for.
 

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Armenians lost over 1000 men in 24 hours. The war was not sustainable for them anymore. Their drones didn't work due to Azerbaijani EW interference. Whatever little air defense left was destroyed instantly. They have no other option but to capitulate.
 

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Azerbaijan halts Karabakh offensive after ceasefire deal with Armenian separatists​

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A still image taken from a handout video provided by the Russian Defence Ministry press-service shows Russian peacekeepers evacuating civilians at an undisclosed location in Nagorno-Karabakh, 20 September 2023.


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Russia said it had evacuated 2,000 ethnic Armenians from villages near the fighting
By Paul Kirby
BBC News

Azerbaijan's president has declared that his country's sovereignty has been restored over Nagorno-Karabakh after a 24-hour military offensive against ethnic-Armenian forces.

Ilham Aliyev praised the heroism of Azerbaijan's army hours after Karabakh forces agreed to surrender.

Some 120,000 ethnic Armenians live in the South Caucasus enclave, recognised internationally as part of Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan now intends to bring the breakaway region under full control.

Its military launched an "anti-terror" operation on Tuesday, demanding that Karabakh's forces raise a white flag and dissolve their "illegal regime". With no means of support from neighbouring Armenia, and after an effective nine-month blockade, the ethnic Armenians soon gave in.

Armenian officials reported that at least 32 people were killed, including seven civilians, and another 200 wounded. However according to a separatist Armenian human rights official, at least 200 people were killed and more than 400 wounded. The BBC has not been able to verify any of the figures.

On Wednesday evening, Armenian officials accused Azerbaijan of opening fire on troops near the town of Sotk on the border between the two countries after the ceasefire had been agreed, but Azerbaijan immediately denied the claims.

Earlier in the day, thousands of protesters took to the streets of Yerevan, the Armenian capital, to demand the resignation of Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan for his handling of the crisis.
Azerbaijan's army said it had captured more than 90 positions from the ethnic Armenians before both sides announced that a complete cessation of hostilities had been agreed through Russian peacekeepers, starting at 13:00 local time (09:00 GMT) on Wednesday.

Under the terms of the truce, outlined by Azerbaijan and Russia, which has peacekeepers on the ground, local Karabakh forces must commit to being completely disbanded as well as disarmed.

There is also a commitment to Armenian forces pulling out, even though its government denies having any military presence there.

Azerbaijan's presidency said officials would meet Karabakh's Armenian representatives for talks on "issues of re-integration" in the Azerbaijani town of Yevlakh on Thursday. President Aliyev said Azerbaijanis had nothing against the population, only their "criminal junta".

Yevlakh is some 100km (60 miles) north of Karabakh's regional capital, Khankendi, known as Stepanakert by Armenians.
A girl in tears in hospital in Nagorno-Karabakh


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Women and children are among the 32 dead and 200 wounded in Karabakh, local authorities say

Civilians flee to airport​

Marut Vanyan, a journalist in Karabakh, said many families had spent Tuesday night in basements: "I didn't sleep and I didn't eat. It's calm now but it's a strange feeling. Right now, what we need to do is stop this bloodshed and understand what to do next."

Russia said its peacekeepers had evacuated 5,000 people from dangerous areas since the offensive had begun, the country's Interfax news agency reported.

As the ceasefire was announced, Karabakh officials appealed to residents to remain in shelters and not to leave for the local airport, adjacent to a Russian peacekeeping base. However, a crowd of civilians had soon gathered close to the airport and as darkness fell hours later it was unclear what support they would have.

Caucasus specialist Thomas de Waal of Carnegie Europe said the terms of the ceasefire and the coming talks were very much on Azerbaijan's terms and left ethnic Armenians looking unprotected.

"This looks like the end of a 35-year-old project, some would say a century-old project, of the Armenians of Karabakh to secede from Azerbaijan," he told the BBC.

"We're probably, unfortunately, seeing a project whereby the Azerbaijanis offer so little to the Karabakh Armenians that most if not all of them will leave."

Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan made clear his government was not involved in the ceasefire text and demanded that Russian peacekeepers take full responsibility for the safety of the local population. On Tuesday he accused Azerbaijan of "ethnic cleansing" in Karabakh.

Azerbaijan's presidential envoy Elchin Amirbekov told the BBC that Russian peacekeepers had helped facilitate the ceasefire: "I think they have to be counted on for the implementation part."

An ongoing crisis​

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Armenia and its neighbour have fought two wars over Nagorno-Karabakh, a mountainous, landlocked region in the south-west of Azerbaijan.

The six-week war in 2020 led to several thousand deaths but enabled Azerbaijan, backed by Turkey, to recapture territory surrounding and inside the enclave, leaving the ethnic Armenians isolated.

For the past nine months, Azerbaijan has conducted an effective blockade of the only road into Karabakh from Armenia, known as the Lachin Corridor. Ethnic Armenians in the enclave complained of shortages of food, medicines and toiletries and Armenia was unable to help.

Although some aid was allowed through in recent days, the Karabakh Armenians were very much weakened by the shortages by the time of the Azerbaijani offensive, with little hope of external support.

Some 2,000 Russian peacekeepers were supposed to monitor the 2020 ceasefire but Moscow's interest in Armenia has waned during its war in Ukraine, even though Armenia is part of Russia's CSTO military alliance.

Last May, the Armenian prime minister was quoted as saying his country would be ready to recognise Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan in return for the security of the ethnic Armenian population.

"The 86,600 sq km of Azerbaijan's territory includes Nagorno-Karabakh," Mr Pashinyan was quoted as saying, referring to Azerbaijan as a whole.
Russia has also been annoyed by Mr Pashinyan's apparent pivot to the West.

Earlier this month his wife Anna Hakobyan shook hands with Ukraine's president at a conference in Kyiv, and this week, dozens of Armenian and US soldiers took part in military exercises together.

The Kremlin has denied Armenian allegations that it did not do enough to help its ally.

President Vladimir Putin said only last week that Russia had no problems with Armenia's prime minister, but added: "If Armenia itself recognised that Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan, what should we do?"

Hundreds of protesters in Yerevan called for the prime minister to resign on Tuesday because of his handling of the crisis and he warned of unidentified forces calling for a coup.

Armenia-Azerbaijan: Nagorno-Karabakh map​

Map of the Nagorno-Karabakh region in Azerbaijan, showing areas of the former autonomous region where Russian peacekeeping forces operate. The map also highlights some of the cities in the area and the Lachin corridor, which, though not a part of the Nagorno-Karabakh region, is to remain under the control of Russian peacekeepers to act as a connection with Armenia for ethnic-Armenian population in the region.


 
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The Karabakh Armenian delegation arrived to Yevlakh for their capitulation meeting. The meeting has started.
 

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Armenian sources are writing that Azerbaijans Army is entering Khankendi. Therefore, there are clashes
 

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Look at cope.

Armenians have never been warriors and will never be.

Their survival was them sucking up to every empire that passed onto this region.

Armenians are only remember for being a people of commerce and not soldiers.

I dont think begging people to fight your battles or wars is a hall mark of a militaristic culture or a people who can fight wars.

A Turkish officer served as an advisor once in the 90s Karabag war said that Azerbaijanis cant fight because they are poets and writers of the Turkic world.

Our brothers have proved us wrong that they can fight and will fight for what belongs to them.

Azerbaijanis did not go begging the world. They patiently waited when to strike. Azerbaijanis their national feelings was centred on centuries of trauma and the 90s debacle was fresh in their minds.

To them the issue will never go away.

The western liberals like the cowards they are were hoping Azerbaijan forgets and its people turn the cheek or you know surrender like cowards.

Basicially forgive and forget.
 

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They forgot to blame the trees for making the oxygen Azeris breathe.

The truth is no other nation could be in a military alliance with Russia, hosting Russian bases while also being a close friend of Iran and at the same time receive the same kind of support from the west as Armenia. A country that also supported Russian invasions of Georgia and Ukraine, a country that had it got Russian help to defeat Azerbaijan would have taken it and been against the west even more so then their nation was prior to the 2020 war.

A truly spoiled nation.

The Armenians also had the advantage that none of their crimes or their attacks are condemned or exposed by either the west or Russia. But the moment Azeris move to defend themselves international pressure and propaganda is brought against them. And if the world was against them their genocide properganda would never have got a platform in the west. Their lies were given such a platform that even the media was running stories of new genocides over the 2020 war and the recent so called blockade.

Today they cry again like little babies that the entire world was against them. A shameless a peoples.

And like i said in the past selling weapons to armenia is a fail because their defeats will tarnish your guns, this war literally lasted just one day before they capitulated. Armenians on their own are not a warrior nation, never have been.

Whats interesting about this recent victory is how most of the regional shitheads all remained silent this time, no more 800 spartans being sent or PKK boasting. Pure silence and quick devastating defeat. And for the ones that didn't, they are left looking impotent.
 

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Greater Armenia is officially dead.

Georgians are also comfortable with the fact that Armenians will no longer able pursue their land claims against them.

Turkiye is also the biggest winner for decades the Armenians.

- Assasinated our diplomats

- Supported pkk and other leftist terror factions inside Turkiye

-tried to isolate Turkiye by lobbying for sanctions or embargoes

-Spread constant propaganda mixed in with Islamophobia and anti Turkish sentiment with racist undertones

-Constantly used the genocide card

-asking for reparations and the demand of territory. Their territory was a huge chunk of Turkiye

Good to see these b*stards getting what they deserved.
 

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If history runs its own course, the Armenians in Khankendi would leave of their own accord slowly; Russia wouldn't have any Armenians there to "protect" if they leave, which is the legitimizing argument for their presence. They see that and they are now forcefully holding them. That ain't gonna work; Russians can't be this stupid.
 

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Someone is counting their eggs too soon.

Well I hope that Azerbaycan helps those who want to move to move. I am pretty sure Armenian pasport could get people easy to USA or Europe.
 
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