TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[IC3M@N FX]

Gezgin needs to be stealth.
AGM-158B-2(JASSM-XR) type of stealth with Tomahawk kind of range.
And if it could hit ships that would be a pretty good cherry on top, but I'm not that picky.

Too expensive, Stealth Cruise Missiles are only fired when you really have to penetrate very deep into enemy territory and you don't have air superiority.
In principle, if something has to be done immediately without waiting, or if you have a favorable opportunity, e.g. meeting the enemy chiefs of staff in some bunker deep in the country to take them all out at once.
Even then you have to be damn lucky, stealth doesn't automatically mean invisible.
For general attacks it would be a waste of money, these are very tactical weapons. Even the USA does not produce them in absolute masses because they are too expensive. What we need is a first strike workhorse that is cheap and efficient. Later you can worry about the stealth versions of it.

 

[Afif]

Not really, JASSM cost around $1.5-2 million, more or less same as Tomahawk block IV/V. And they are mass produced.

USAF has already purchased 2000 AGM-158 JASSM and planning to buy 10000 in total. @Heartbang is right. They should introduce stealthy variant of Gezgin later if not initially with LO features.

Japan upgraded their Type 12 CM from conventional design to this one.

 

[Quasar]

Gezgin needs to be stealth.
AGM-158B-2(JASSM-XR) type of stealth with Tomahawk kind of range.
And if it could hit ships that would be a pretty good cherry on top, but I'm not that picky.

According to news from 2021 With the experience gained from the SOM-J, SOM models with lower radar signature are being ''studied''... end result is not seen yet

P.S it was posted by @Cabatli_TR by then but the tweet is not avilable now

 

[Heartbang]

Kid:Mom, can we have VLS?
Mom: No, we have VLS at home.

The VLS at home:

Jokes aside, its downright astonishing how mil-grade tech has trickled down to average Joe's hands over the years.

 

[Sanchez]

Deliveries of Göktuğ family of AAMs and Karaok ATGM to TSK is delayed to 2024. Current delay is 1.5-2 years. Karaok is weird to me. They won a tender with Malaysia, and probably Malaysia will take deliveries earlier than us. TSK must be very happy with their ERYX and Milans.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741150694206328940

 

[Ecderha]

2023'te bıraktığımız izler, göklerden taşan teknolojimizin eseri!
translation: The traces we leave in 2023 are the work of our technology overflowing from the skies!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741370994328055882

 

[I_Love_F16]

Deliveries of Göktuğ family of AAMs and Karaok ATGM to TSK is delayed to 2024. Current delay is 1.5-2 years. Karaok is weird to me. They won a tender with Malaysia, and probably Malaysia will take deliveries earlier than us. TSK must be very happy with their ERYX and Milans.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741150694206328940

Why those delays ? Lack of ressources ?

 

[Afif]

Why those delays ? Lack of ressources ?

Well, setting up production line for high end weapons like A2A missile is quite complex and time consuming task.

For example, Denel developed very capable WVR and BVR missiles like A-darter and Marlin. Yet despite having all the blue prints and test qualification data, they still cannot mass produce them due to lack of production line and qualified personnel.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

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The Countdown for the more than 1000 km Missile Cenk has startet.

 

[Oublious]

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The Countdown for the more than 1000 km Missile Cenk has startet.

lol

they wher from the start al ready 1000km+ missiles...

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Wasn't there talk of Tayfun achieving between 800 and 1000 kilometers?
And Cenk should reach between 2000 and 3000 kilometers as an MRBM?

 

[Afif]

More like 1500-2000km. To reach 3000km cenk has to be bigger I think.
(both Tayfun and Cenk are supposed to fly a depressed trajectory)

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742484064962072981

Translation:

ROKETSAN General Manager Murat İkin:

"We can produce as many TAYFUN missiles as we want and use them in a war environment without asking anyone's permission.

The most important technology in the missile is that it can find the target with our own navigation system without GPS. "You cannot get this technology from any country."

 

[IC3M@N FX]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742484064962072981

Translation:

I wonder what kind of navigation system is used.
One thing is already clear INS is definitely included, possibly an optical 3D terrain scan? This would then have to be compared with internally stored data, e.g. a map for course corrections on re-entry into the earth.
But then the rocket would generally have to have an optical search head.
Possibly also SATCOM data, all the Türksats, Göktürk satellites must be able to send telemetry to the rocket in the form of a second target guidance to bring the rocket more precisely to the target.
Of course, this is total speculation.

 

[uçuyorum]

I wonder what kind of navigation system is used.
One thing is already clear INS is definitely included, possibly an optical 3D terrain scan? This would then have to be compared with internally stored data, e.g. a map for course corrections on re-entry into the earth.
But then the rocket would generally have to have an optical search head.
Possibly also SATCOM data, all the Türksats, Göktürk satellites must be able to send telemetry to the rocket in the form of a second target guidance to bring the rocket more precisely to the target.
Of course, this is total speculation.

There is no need for optical sensor. If you have 3d models of terrain geometry you can sort of create a point cloud from measurements by like a microwave radar like thing and use kalman filters to estimate location from libraries.

 

[UkroTurk]

I wonder what kind of navigation system is used.
One thing is already clear INS is definitely included, possibly an optical 3D terrain scan? This would then have to be compared with internally stored data, e.g. a map for course corrections on re-entry into the earth.
But then the rocket would generally have to have an optical search head.
Possibly also SATCOM data, all the Türksats, Göktürk satellites must be able to send telemetry to the rocket in the form of a second target guidance to bring the rocket more precisely to the target.
Of course, this is total speculation.

There might be 2 alternatives.

Ring laser gyroscope - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hemispherical resonator gyroscope - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Ballistic missiles flying at very high altitudes cannot determine direction according to the terrain and landforms. Because such missile would need a large and powerful radar antenna to detect the ground from that high altitude.

İt will work for cruise missiles.


I think HRG would suit Türkiye's space ambitions however laser gyro seems to me simplier and cheaper.

 

[Heartbang]

I wonder what kind of navigation system is used.

Celestial navigation. As in, star maps.

American Trident SLBM's use those, with GPS capability added later.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Celestial navigation. As in, star maps.

American Trident SLBM's use those, with GPS capability added later.

How accurate is that? I mean, GPS, Galileo and GLONASS were deliberately not added because these navigation options could be directly blocked overnight by the arbitrariness of the countries that control these systems.

 

[UkroTurk]

I insist the missile has Ring Laser Gyroscope like İndian Ballistic missiles have.
RLG is most common and cheaper option.

EDIT:

There is an other alternative
Fiber optic gyro.
Damn look at The İranians!!!
Iranian missiles are said to have it.

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[Heartbang]

How accurate is that? I mean, GPS, Galileo and GLONASS were deliberately not added because these navigation options could be directly blocked overnight by the arbitrariness of the countries that control these systems.

The latest Tridents have 12000 km's of range with 90 meters of circular error probable(officially).
That means, you could fire a Trident from the shores of California and have all the warheads hit Kınalıada every single time.

Test for yourself:

MISSILEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

MISSILEMAP is a digital mapping mashup that lets you graphically visualize the range and accuracy of many different types of missiles.

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