TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[UkroTurk]

I think KE has more than just weapon integration to be ready for the service.

VTOL? For sake of God tell us your thoughts

 

[Huelague]

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This one ?

We know that Baykar has Space technology ambitions.

 

[Merzifonlu]

I am more excited to see the news (TEI TF-6000 engine ignited for the first time & Aselsan Murad AESA Radar is ready for mass production) rather than KAAN's maiden flight.

 

[boredaf]

I am more excited to see the news (TEI TF-6000 engine ignited for the first time & Aselsan Murad AESA Radar is ready for mass production) rather than KAAN's maiden flight.

Yeah, first flight will be cool and we'll all feel the pride and all of that, but Kaan still has years of tests and development left, and even after all that, if we can't get the engine or the radar in time, it'll be like a bird with broken wings.

In my opinion, TF-6000 will make or break a lot of our other projects, depending on its success and how smooth the test process is going to be.

 

[Merzifonlu]

if we can't get the engine or the radar in time, it'll be like a bird with broken wings.

Our geography is boiling. In this geopolitical environment, we urgently need functional air power. The only way to do this is through domestic radar and domestic engine. If we had not been proactive and developed Hisar/Siper, Hürjet, drones and guided munitions, our situation would have been much much more hopeless. While I don't think the Murad AESA radar will be delayed much, there is a gargantuan "engine" boulder blocking our path. For this reason, I think the TF-6000 project is even more critical than the Kaan project.

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741401039117406364

"AESA tabanlı milli uçak radarı MURAD’ı, AKINCI İHA’ya ve jet uçağımıza entegre ettik,"

MURAD has been integrated to a jet aircraft and Akıncı.


"Milli Muharip Uçağımız KAAN pilotlarının havadaki gözü olacak TULGAR’ın ilk prototip üretimini tamamladık,"

First prototype of TULGAR HMD for KAAN was completed


"F16’larımız için geliştirdiğimiz IFF Birleşik Sorgulayıcı Cevaplayıcı teslimatını yaptık,"

Integrated IFF system deliveries for the F-16s are ongoing


"Milli Muharip Uçak haberleşme alt sistemi (ICNI) prototipinin tasarımını tamamladık ve teslimatını yaptık. "

Design, production and delivery of the first ICNI prototype for the KAAN was completed. ICNI consists of the communication and navigation systems of the aircraft like the DL, IFF, INS/GPS, TACAN etc

One thing you didn't mention from his tweet, apparently we fit Mark 81 with Aselsan guidance kit, LGK-81, and fired it from Hürkuş. That's a pretty decent option to have for a turboprop light attack craft.

 

[Sanchez]

One thing you didn't mention from his tweet, apparently we fit Mark 81 with Aselsan guidance kit, LGK-81, and fired it from Hürkuş. That's a pretty decent option to have for a turboprop light attack craft.

Chad uses Anka, Niger TB2. Suffice to say, they can use something bigger than MAMs now. What awesome capability to have for armed forces of their caliber.

 

[boredaf]

Chad uses Anka, Niger TB2. Suffice to say, they can use something bigger than MAMs now. What awesome capability to have for armed forces of their caliber.

Nah, Mk-81 is around 100kgs, it is still too heavy for TB-2 or Anka. Maybe an UAV version of Umtas-GM can be made for them? Or Alpagut it should be around 45 kgs with 11kg warhead.

 

[Sanchez]

Nah, Mk-81 is around 100kgs, it is still too heavy for TB-2 or Anka. Maybe an UAV version of Umtas-GM can be made for them? Or Alpagut it should be around 45 kgs with 11kg warhead.

As in, drones lase the target, Hürkuş drops it. From Chad's desert deployment, Hürkuş didn't have an onboard EO.

 

[boredaf]

As in, drones lase the target, Hürkuş drops it. From Chad's desert deployment, Hürkuş didn't have an onboard EO.

Oh, sorry mate I misunderstood you, that's a fair point.

 

[I_Love_F16]

it is still too heavy for TB-2 or Anka

Didn’t we saw an Anka fitted with some sort of bomb ? Forgot the name of that bomb.

 

[Sanchez]

Didn’t we saw an Anka fitted with some sort of bomb ? Forgot the name of that bomb.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1707017648519713262

 

[boredaf]

Didn’t we saw an Anka fitted with some sort of bomb ? Forgot the name of that bomb.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1707017648519713262

Oh shit, I hadn't seen that one. Wow, Anka has much higher payload than I thought. It should also be able to use Aselsan's Tolun then, that's very nice.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I still don't understand the armed version of Hürküs. The cost of an aircraft of this type is probably 40 - 50 million US dollars.
The Aircraft as a Trainer makes sense for training, but as a combat aircraft these things make absolutely no sense. The cost = benefit factor is not obvious to me.
Yes, it has the advantage of being able to land on unpaved landing sites, especially at military bases in enemy territory
But when will there ever be a situation where this is really necessary....
These things are much slower and can't fly any higher than a modern fighter jet.
If these things cost 15-20 million dollars each, I would still understand it and you could build a fleet of 100-150 of them to give young aspiring fighter pilots a routine away from simulators and trainer planes.
They could use it to monitor the coasts and it would also be enough for the PKK & YPG, Drug Cartels, Pirates/Smuggler,
they don't have a functioning modern air defense system anyway.
But these things are just too expensive, with the money you can probably build 2-3 Akinci or Aksungur who can also fulfill this task.

 

[boredaf]

I still don't understand the armed version of Hürküs. The cost of an aircraft of this type is probably 40 - 50 million US dollars.
The Aircraft as a Trainer makes sense for training, but as a combat aircraft these things make absolutely no sense. The cost = benefit factor is not obvious to me.
Yes, it has the advantage of being able to land on unpaved landing sites, especially at military bases in enemy territory
But when will there ever be a situation where this is really necessary....
These things are much slower and can't fly any higher than a modern fighter jet.
If these things cost 15-20 million dollars each, I would still understand it and you could build a fleet of 100-150 of them to give young aspiring fighter pilots a routine away from simulators and trainer planes.
They could use it to monitor the coasts and it would also be enough for the PKK & YPG.
But these things are just too expensive, with the money you can probably build 2-3 Akinci or Aksungur.

US Special Forces Command just ordered turboprop AT-802U for armed reconnaissance and close air support because they wanted a low cost option. Armed version would be used the same way, armed recon and CAS, with good payload capacity and options. We can use them in counter-terrorism operations instead of using our jets and putting unnecessary flight hours on them.

And there is no way Hürkuş costs that much, unless you have a proof, that is almost 80% of a jet fighter.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

US Special Forces Command just ordered turboprop AT-802U for armed reconnaissance and close air support because they wanted a low cost option. Armed version would be used the same way, armed recon and CAS, with good payload capacity and options. We can use them in counter-terrorism operations instead of using our jets and putting unnecessary flight hours on them.

And there is no way Hürkuş costs that much, unless you have a proof, that is almost 80% of a jet fighter.

You're right, the costs are around 20 -25 million dollars/euros per unit.

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In hindsight, however, I still think that's too expensive .
Why shouldn't a drone be able to fulfill this task?

 

[I_Love_F16]

You're right, the costs are around 20 -25 million dollars/euros per unit.

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Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii (TUSAŞ)'nin elinde HÜRKUŞ Uçağı kalmadı. TUSAŞ, elinde bulunan bütün HÜRKUŞ platformlarını, çeşitli ülkelere ihraç etti.

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In hindsight, however, I still think that's too expensive .
Why shouldn't a drone be able to fulfill this task?

You also risk a valuable pilot, something you don’t have to think about when you are using unmanned aircrafts.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

You also risk a valuable pilot, something you don’t have to think about when you are using unmanned aircrafts.

Exactly, unfortunately pilots don't grow on trees, they are a limited resource. It would be a shame if a Hürküs C with 2 experienced pilots could be shot down by a Stinger or another modern mobile air defense system because it wasn't high enough.
I can well imagine that terrorists and pirates could have at least that from the black market.
If the drone is shot down, I don't think it matters, you can replace it, you can't replace pilots so easily.
In general, human pilots no longer have a place in a military turboprop aircraft designed for combat missions.
That would be pure suicide...

I would agree with a purely export-oriented aircraft, e.g. for Somalia and other African countries that want something cheap and efficient to protect their borders without exceeding the 50 million €/$.

 

[Sanchez]

"The average price of an A-29 (Super Tucano) hovers around $10 million or more depending on modifications."
I am sure, that a Hürkuş costs less than that.

Pretty sure that's near impossible.

Drones that can carry the firepower and sensors these aircraft can carry at the speeds they travel are not exactly cheap either. US has hundreds of very capable Reapers, they still used Broncos in Syria.

 

[Samba]

First prototype of TULGAR is ready!

KAAN pilotları için geliştirilen TULGAR'ın ilk prototipi üretildi

Milli Muharip Uçak KAAN pilotları için ASELSAN tarafından geliştirilen TULGAR'ın ilk prototipinin üretildiği açıklandı.

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