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[Ryder]

Some might say the jordanian royal family are simply simping for the US . Which in turn could only further alienated them from the masses...

Jordanian Royal family is the same royal family that backstabbed the Ottoman Empire.

A disgusting family of course.

 

[Gary]

The fact that Jordan, a country nearest to Palestine that did nothing while massacres are going on in Gaza, yet chose to play 'aatack dogs' when it comes to American death shows my earlier thought about the countries surrounding Palestine...

You cannot destroy Israel before destroy their Arab extension. It is imperative that the artificial countries that the Europeans draw using rulers to be either :

1. United under one banner
2. Turned into an entire war zone that turns them into a failed state, Syria style. That way the security of Israel will be compromised over a long period of time until the time is right to deliver the blow.

 

[Ravager]

Jordan doesn't have a choice. Their economy relies on it.

Jordanian Royal family is the same royal family that backstabbed the Ottoman Empire.

A disgusting family of course.

Which it wouldn't bode well for their monarchies continuation ...
Sooner or later things like angst and disssatisfaction would unfold and hell willl break loose in the jordanian proper

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753544043932557379

The Jordanians are angry at Iran using their territory and smuggling drugs

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753809917947842788

The Jordanian army denied the claim that they participated in the US attacks in Syria and Iraq.

 

[Lool]

Jordanian Royal family is the same royal family that backstabbed the Ottoman Empire.

A disgusting family of course.

That same royal family also betrayed the Egyptians during the Egypt-Israeli war by selling sensitive info to the Mossad for money and priviliges from the US

The Jordanian royal family has always been known that its sole motto is: "Our values and heritage are nothing more than toilet paper, we always support those who will help us keep our seat of power; i-e, the jordanian royal throne"

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753865827072291162

 

[Afif]

Jordanian Royal family is the same royal family that backstabbed the Ottoman Empire.

A disgusting family of course.

Bro, they are the direct decendents of the prophet. So, please let's blame individuals. Not the whole family.

 

[Ryder]

Bro, they are the direct decendents of the prophet. So, please let's blame individuals. Not the whole family.

I dont believe it to be honest. Everybody claims they are descended from Prophet Muhammed(peace be upon him)

Even Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi of Isis claimed he was descended from the Quraish.

 

[Afif]

Even Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi of Isis claimed he was descended from the Quraish.

Bro, obviously he was a scam.

 

[schuimpjes]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753880522248360376

Simple, but many would angry. Don’t like authoritarianism myself, but for the sake of national interests in international relations, it’s easier to negotiate with one family state than democracies.

Jordanian Royal family is the same royal family that backstabbed the Ottoman Empire.

Do you consider Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab as enemy too? Because his followers1 was with Abdullah Bin Saud during Ottoman-Wahhabi War.

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[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753880522248360376

Simple, but many would angry. Don’t like authoritarianism myself, but for the sake of national interests in international relations, it’s easier to negotiate with one family state than democracies.


Do you consider Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab as enemy too? Because he was with Muhammad Bin Saud during Ottoman-Wahabbi War.

nearly all these western created states in the middle east are British vassals. Whether it be jordan, kuwait, oman, saudi, uae etc. They exist because they were the traitors who were willing to be used by the British to destroy the last serious caliphate. Many traitors tried to do the same to Turkey, whether it be Boris Johnsons great grand father ali kemal who accepted british vasselage and tried to have Ataturk murdered and the Turkish forces destoryed. Or whether it be the Kurdish islamist said nursi who was another british plot to try and destroy Turkish independence. A guy btw who is an icon within FETO/Islamist circles. Nearly all political islamists are western puppets, tools.

Nearly the entire Muslim world is occupied, either overtly or covertly. And if you look at the holy sights of the Muslims, the zionist occupy Al Aqsa, while everyone accepts the saudis are western puppets which means medina and mecca our occupied by the Kaffir.

In Turkey they had been using political islamists for decades to try and take over the state and then subvert it. FETO is a prime example of this.

 

[schuimpjes]

nearly all these western created states in the middle east are British vassals. Whether it be jordan, kuwait, oman, saudi, uae etc. They exist because they were the traitors who were willing to be used by the British to destroy the last serious caliphate. Many traitors tried to do the same to Turkey, whether it be Boris Johnsons great grand father ali kemal who accepted british vasselage and tried to have Ataturk murdered and the Turkish forces destoryed. Or whether it be the Kurdish islamist said nursi who was another british plot to try and destroy Turkish independence. A guy btw who is an icon within FETO/Islamist circles. Nearly all political islamists are western puppets, tools.

Nearly the entire Muslim world is occupied, either overtly or covertly. And if you look at the holy sights of the Muslims, the zionist occupy Al Aqsa, while everyone excepts the saudis are western puppets which means medina and mecca our occupied by the Kaffir.

In Turkey had been using political islamists for decades to try and take over the state and then subvert. FETO is a prime example of this.

Okay. Personally I care nothing about all of that tho.

For me, today’s Muslims idea for caliphate is more towards resentment to status quo. Taught to hate so much since childhood; this and that are bad, whatever. The only venting is to know that someone would stop all of that bad things that they taught to hate, period. Without specific substantive measures how to make their life better, except offering to eradicate what taught to them as bad, even though that things they taught to hate actually bother/harming no one. Not talking yet about wealth inequality as one direct result of influence peddling in the politics to fuel the hatred.

 

[Ravager]

Bro, they are the direct decendents of the prophet. So, please let's blame individuals. Not the whole family.

I dont believe it to be honest. Everybody claims they are descended from Prophet Muhammed(peace be upon him)

Even Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi of Isis claimed he was descended from the Quraish.

I do not mean to derailed the thread here brother . But , i sincerely believed ..there is a reason on why karbala were to happened .
In it's core we are moslem are equals before Allah .

Please , do not respons to this .for this is only a reminder of sort

 

[Ryder]

Bro, obviously he was a scam.

They are all scammers.

I hold the same views regarding the Ottoman Royal family of today.

They just live off what their ancestors achieved.

I dont care about blood or ancestry. If somebody comes to me with im descended from Ataturk I would say the same to he or she.

Blood means nothing same with royal titles. So called descendants of the Prophet cant even do anything to help Palestine.

King Abdullah II was born to a British mother by the way.

 

[Gary]

Which it wouldn't bode well for their monarchies continuation ...
Sooner or later things like angst and disssatisfaction would unfold and hell willl break loose in the jordanian proper

Actually not only the Jordanian proper, but everywhere in the Arab/Muslim world, people are having enough of their leaders. This area is a powder keg, ready to explode whenever opportunity exists.

The Royal Jordanian army denying involvement in the raid on Iraq and Syria is a pragmatic move IMO, the last thing Arab Monarchs want to do now is to show who their real allegiance in the last 50 years or so is (the West). Previously this was an open secret, but with the war in Gaza, open moves like this are no longer tolerable, less they want a revolution in their country. And yes, that includes the door to the so-called 'normalization' with israel.

 

[Ravager]

Actually not only the Jordanian proper, but everywhere in the Arab/Muslim world, people are having enough of their leaders. This area is a powder keg, ready to explode whenever opportunity exists.

The Royal Jordanian army denying involvement in the raid on Iraq and Syria is a pragmatic move IMO, the last thing Arab Monarchs want to do now is to show who their real allegiance in the last 50 years or so is (the West). Previously this was an open secret, but with the war in Gaza, open moves like this are no longer tolerable, less they want a revolution in their country. And yes, that includes the door to the so-called 'normalization' with israel.

Like i said before ... Keep this trajectory and all the midle east monarchies will find them selves get " democratized " by their own .
Even in the saudi's proper the discontent's whispers are going louder and louder ...
The sauds are slowly and surely starting to lost their grip on the populace ...especially among the youths

 

[schuimpjes]

Actually not only the Jordanian proper, but everywhere in the Arab/Muslim world, people are having enough of their leaders. This area is a powder keg, ready to explode whenever opportunity exists.

Bahrain this almost happened in 2011. But the primus inter pares of the Gulf monarchs, Saudi, helped them to prevented it.

 

[Gary]

The Royal Jordanian army denying involvement in the raid on Iraq and Syria is a pragmatic move IMO, the last thing Arab Monarchs want to do now is to show who their real allegiance in the last 50 years or so is (the West). Previously this was an open secret, but with the war in Gaza, open moves like this are no longer tolerable, less they want a revolution in their country. And yes, that includes the door to the so-called 'normalization' with israel.

What seems to be a distant memory now, but the Islamic world is very close to disaster with the impending mass normalization with Israel. Starting with UAE, Bahrain with the Abraham accords, and not so long ago, people are counting down on Saudi Arabia's normalization with israel.

When it's becoming clear that there were signs that Saudis will normalize with israel, everywhere in the Muslim world, the people are openly talking about normalization with israel as well, including here in Indonesia. Because if Saudi's normalize, why wouldn't we ? right ? lol

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It is thanks to Hamas, that this move would not happen or postponed to at least the next 50 years.

 

[schuimpjes]

Because if Saudi's normalize

With terms and conditions. One of it Israel have to recognize Palestine as a state, not mere an autonomy. US looks like also making plan for the recognition of Palestine, maybe part of bigger post-war plan.

 

[schuimpjes]

There will be no 2 state solution

The more anyone asking for one state solution, much more killings gonna happen. The Arabs say that land belongs to them, the Jewish (ethnicity) say they are there even longer than the Arabs, what we expect? Let each of them have their parts.

Many maybe look at the Haredi don’t like Israel (state) and say that Israel is not needed. Haredi doesn’t like Israel because they think the only legitimate state for the Jewish is from the Messiah, not build by the Jews themselves now, the same reason why they don’t like Jesus (if really exist or you believe it) too, even though we see word INRI1 everywhere, they don’t believe it. Some don’t even want to be drafted because the risk of secularization of their community by the IDF’s way of life.

But there are millions out there that asked for Israel, then what? Someone don’t like that then they would stop?

1) INRI: Iesus Nazarenus rex Iudaeorum, Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jewish