TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Agha Sher]

They cut any shots of engine ignition again. I have yet to see any Kale engine being used in actual test fire.

Would you be able to see if it is a Kale engine if they had shown the ignition? If not, what is the point of your comment?

 

[uçuyorum]

Would you be able to see if it is a Kale engine if they had shown the ignition? If not, what is the point of your comment?

Point is, is there a working engine or not? Are we able to please deliver and mass produce one critical product with local engines?

 

[Agha Sher]

Do you suspect the test was conducted as a free fall bomb?

Point is, is there a working engine or not? Are we able to please deliver and mass produce one critical product with local engines?

 

[boredaf]

Point is, is there a working engine or not? Are we able to please deliver and mass produce one critical product with local engines?

Unless they openly lied, KJT-1750 was supposed to be delivered before the end of 2023 and flight tests were supposed to start, which could be this very launch.

 

[dBSPL]

It was previously stated that the ÇAKIR LIR could be used to jam all EW platforms. Accordingly, the missile would be able to mimic the radar signature of an F-16 or other user-specified aircraft to force enemy air defense systems to turn on their radars while in the air. In this case, the missile is expected to include a Signature Augmentation Subsystem (SAS) consisting of multiple active radar amplifiers covering different frequencies that will allow it to identify itself to enemy air defense systems as aircraft with different RCS signatures in the Turkish Air Force inventory (E-7T HIK, KC-135R Stratotanker, F-16 and F-4E 2020 etc.). The missile will also be equipped with an RF Jammer to jam enemy air defense systems when necessary. However, for this type of SEAD mission, the ÇAKIR LIR will need to be capable of loitering over the target area, like the existing ADM-160B/C and TALD/ITALD tactical decoys/jammers in the market, and its flight time should be 45 minutes+ depending on altitude. Since the thrust of the KTJ-1750 Turbojet Engine, which has a low fuel consumption value, can be changed during the flight, ÇAKIR LIR will be able to circulate in the air for periods that can meet the requirements with low cruising speed.

Defence Turkey Magazine

www.defenceturkey.com

Imagine 4 AKINCI and USVs each taking off with 4 ÇAKIR missiles in different configurations. This missile is a checkmate move in a cramped theater with many archipelagos and intertwined territorial waters.

 

[MhhJA]

I guess this should answer the question about the engine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1763594432354418874

 

[Afif]

That seems really fuel hungry for its size.

 

[Oublious]

Could it be Hybride seeker?

 

[infrared]

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[uçuyorum]

I am not knowledgeable on jet engines but I have found 1500 N Turbomeca TRS 18-1's specs here.

While TRS 18-1 consumes 1.20 kg/h/daN (which is 33.4 mg/Ns as listed), KTJ1750 uses 1.17 kg/h/daN. What am I missing?

TRS 18-1 consumes 33.33 mg/Ns.
KTJ1750 consumes 32.5 mg/Ns. Is that correct

 

[Afif]

I am not knowledgeable on jet engines but I have found 1500 N Turbomeca TRS 18-1's specs here.

While TRS 18-1 consumes 1.20 kg/h/daN (which is 33.4 mg/Ns as listed), KTJ1750 uses 1.17 kg/h/daN. What am I missing?

Well, KTJ-3200 has 1.20 kg SFC. Compared to that KTJ-1750 delivering much less thrust yet has almost same SFC.

And you are comparing an engine from 1970s with an engine from 2020s. I don't think that would be relevant.

 

[uçuyorum]

Well, KTJ-3200 has 1.20 kg SFC. Compared to that KTJ-1750 delivering much less thrust yet has almost same SFC.

SFC is per thrust not total.

 

[TheInsider]

Well, KTJ-3200 has 1.20 kg SFC. Compared to that KTJ-1750 delivering much less thrust yet has almost same SFC.

And you are comparing an engine from 1970s with an engine from 2020s. I don't think that would be relevant.

Rookie mistake here. It is per daN per hour. This means KTJ-1750 consumes 204.75 kg per hour(1750N=175 daN, 175*1.17=204.75kg).

Çakır has a speed of 0.75-0.85 mach. This means it can travel 917-1039km per hour. If the engine runs for 15 minutes it will have a 225km range at worst and it will consume 51.18kg of fuel.

Çakır weighs 275kg without a rocket booster (air-launched variant). KTJ-1750 engine weighs 22.5kg(includes accessories). It carries a 70kg warhead. IMHO there is plenty of weight budget to carry a good amount of fuel.

 

[UkroTurk]

Now we would like to see Çakır on the ATAK helicopters.

 

[Quasar]

what excites me even more is as we know there is an ongoing project in which TOLUN will be launched from land with the hybrid engine of Delta V similar to GLSDB (Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb) which uses M26 's rocket engine

MLRSs with TOLUN

Advantages of Land TOLUN

-TOLUN has greater maneuverability compared to artillery rockets

- 360 degree target engagement with a certain amount of decrease in range.

Advantages of Hybrid engine

-Stop/restart and throttling

 

[UkroTurk]

what excites me even more is as we know there is an ongoing project in which TOLUN will be launched from land with the hybrid engine of Delta V similar to GLSDB (Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb) which uses M26 's rocket engine

MLRSs with TOLUN

Advantages of Land TOLUN

-TOLUN has greater maneuverability compared to artillery rockets

- 360 degree target engagement with a certain amount of decrease in range.

Advantages of Hybrid engine

-Stop/restart and throttling


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Why shouldn't we put the Ground launched TOLUN into MIDLAS?
TF-2000 will have 96 cells.
Wait Çakır would suit better than this.
Although Ground launched SDB has 150km range , Harpoon could deliver heavier warhead.

 

[Huelague]

Rookie mistake here. It is per daN per hour. This means KTJ-1750 consumes 204.75 kg per hour(1750N=175 daN, 175*1.17=204.75kg).

Çakır has a speed of 0.75-0.85 mach. This means it can travel 917-1039km per hour. If the engine runs for 15 minutes it will have a 225km range at worst and it will consume 51.18kg of fuel.

Çakır weighs 275kg without a rocket booster (air-launched variant). KTJ-1750 engine weighs 22.5kg(includes accessories). It carries a 70kg warhead. IMHO there is plenty of weight budget to carry a good amount of fuel.

Does the altitude has an effect on consumption?

 

[Heartbang]

Why shouldn't we put the Ground launched TOLUN into MIDLAS?

Would be excellent for USV's and smaller ships in our navy. (patrol ships, FAC's, etc.

 

[TheInsider]

Does the altitude has an effect on consumption?

Yes as you go higher fuel consumption decreases so do the air drag and thrust of the engine so it is a trade-off.

 

[MhhJA]

IHA-230 Supersonic Missile Firing Test.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1763939866595799438