TR Small Aerial Drones & Loitering Ammunitions

[Kaan Azman]

I still find it weird when land forces isn't making a large-scale order for kamikaze UAVs. Especially when their effectiveness is proven and we have many manufacturers at this point.

 

[BaburKhan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765071334646993209

TALAY, the World's First Low Altitude Multi-Purpose Unmanned Aerial Vehicle developed by Solid Aero.

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[Heartbang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765071334646993209

TALAY – Solid AERO

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A lot of hobbyists make ekranoplans in that scale. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to come up with a bigger prototype with a couple of meters of clearance.

If they manage to make an ekranoplan that can weather the waves in the 7-8 meter, that would be groundbreaking though.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765736910943613005

New Russian Russian FPV drone with a coil of thin fiber optic cable over 10 kilometers long. The drone transmits digital, real-time video over a 10.5km spool of fiber-optic cable. This kind of drone is almost impossible to stop with EW.

@Sanchez @Anmdt @Ryder @TR_123456 @Nilgiri @Yasar_TR

How can you find a solution to such a problem, guys? Wouldn't this lead to soft kill systems being garbage?

 

[Sanchez]

Hardkill APS with greater top coverage becomes a necessity. Not much different than a TOW or wire operated IEDs. We've some experience against both.

 

[TR_123456]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765736910943613005

New Russian Russian FPV drone with a coil of thin fiber optic cable over 10 kilometers long. The drone transmits digital, real-time video over a 10.5km spool of fiber-optic cable. This kind of drone is almost impossible to stop with EW.

@Sanchez @Anmdt @Ryder @TR_123456 @Nilgiri @Yasar_TR

How can you find a solution to such a problem, guys? Wouldn't this lead to soft kill systems being garbage?

It looks like a small drone,probably cant fly to high(2/300m at most) so,shoot it down on sight.

 

[Anmdt]

It looks like a small drone,probably cant fly to high(2/300m at most) so,shoot it down on sight.

I would say the so, how much of the fiber it can use efficiently?

 

[Bogeyman]

It looks like small drone,probably cant fly to high(2/300m at most) so,shoot it down on sight.

But for this you have to get close to him. These can be used not only for kamikaze attacks but also for marking/surveillance in artillery or mortar attacks. So wouldn't getting close to him be a problem during large-scale conflict?

Maybe they can be shot with sniper rifles. However, the weather conditions must be suitable for this. In the meantime, you can perform acoustic monitoring with more than one surveillance UAV and still detect the location of that sniper. There is no end to the tactics and measures that can be developed against them. We need a definitive solution.

 

[TR_123456]

I would say the so, how much of the fiber it can use efficiently?

Not 10km or even 5km,thats for sure.
To simple to be taken serious.

 

[Anmdt]

Not 10km or even 5km,thats for sure.
To simple to be taken serious.

It still has a use nonetheless, but i am trying to figure out how that mechanically work? Imo fibers have certain restrictions on bending and curve they attain. They might use it for relays maybe? Just to elevate from ground and access to other drones?
Still fibers would require decoders at the each end, could they fit one in that drone?

 

[TR_123456]

But for this you have to get close to him. These can be used not only for kamikaze attacks but also for marking/surveillance in artillery or mortar attacks. So wouldn't getting close to him be a problem during large-scale conflict?

Maybe they can be shot with sniper rifles. However, the weather conditions must be suitable for this. In the meantime, you can perform acoustic monitoring with more than one surveillance UAV and still detect the location of that sniper. There is no end to the tactics and measures that can be developed against them. We need a definitive solution.

The weather conditions also apply for the use of the drone,its a simple drone,not much sophistication as it looks.
So,easy to shoot down.
Btw,more then one as in two three?
What happens to the cables?
To much work and to complicated.

 

[TR_123456]

It still has a use nonetheless, but i am trying to figure out how that mechanically work? Imo fibers have certain restrictions on bending and curve they attain. They might use it for relays maybe? Just to elevate from ground and access to other drones?
Still fibers would require decoders at the each end, could they fit one in that drone?

Anything is possible but dont you think the drone is to small and to simple to give it so much attention?
Every addition would make it costly,no?

 

[Bogeyman]

The weather conditions also apply for the use of the drone,its a simple drone,not much sophistication as it looks.
So,easy to shoot down.
Btw,more then one as in two three?
What happens to the cables?
To much work and to complicated.

It is not a problem for a UAV to fly in light winds or fog (depending on the quality of the payload). However, the parameters for a sniper to make precise shots are very specific. The slightest change in the weather directly affects their ability to hit their target.

Meanwhile, you can develop a tactic with more than one squad, independent of each other, taking off via cable and monitoring different areas. Thus, you ensure situational awareness at the company level.

 

[Bogeyman]

It is not a problem for a UAV to fly in light winds or fog (depending on the quality of the payload). However, the parameters for a sniper to make precise shots are very specific. The slightest change in the weather directly affects their ability to hit their target.

Meanwhile, you can develop a tactic with more than one squad, independent of each other, taking off via cable and monitoring different areas. Thus, you ensure situational awareness at the company level.

https://www.meteksan.com/files/yep_yeni_brosurler/retinar_ptr_x_1.pdf

If we could launch RETİNAR PTR-X from the reconnaissance vehicle with a cable UAV that can carry a 50-60 kg payload, this human detection range would increase 2-3 times. Here we are talking about detecting soldiers from 10-15 km. Only in this way can you reduce the kamikaze UAV threat against tanks by increasing situational awareness beyond vision.

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765736910943613005

New Russian Russian FPV drone with a coil of thin fiber optic cable over 10 kilometers long. The drone transmits digital, real-time video over a 10.5km spool of fiber-optic cable. This kind of drone is almost impossible to stop with EW.

@Sanchez @Anmdt @Ryder @TR_123456 @Nilgiri @Yasar_TR

How can you find a solution to such a problem, guys? Wouldn't this lead to soft kill systems being garbage?

This isn't some magic solution, this is something you would do if you can't properly overcome enemy's jamming, which is something Russia is incompetent at. Not to mention they let an EW vehicle get captured some time during the first year of the war. And I highly doubt this thing can fly 10 kms from the source without that line of fibre optics getting caught in something.

 

[Kartal1]

It is not a problem for a UAV to fly in light winds or fog (depending on the quality of the payload). However, the parameters for a sniper to make precise shots are very specific. The slightest change in the weather directly affects their ability to hit their target.

Meanwhile, you can develop a tactic with more than one squad, independent of each other, taking off via cable and monitoring different areas. Thus, you ensure situational awareness at the company level.

Sniper shots in these situations are really very difficult.

The most stable position is prone supported, or any other modified supported sitting position where the muscle relaxation is at the maximum level. The problem here is that the drone operates at a higher altitude and there will likely be trouble with finding suitable conditions for a supported position that will allow taking a shot in such a steep angle. Also the drone is a little target and must stay steady in order for the Sniper to have a chance to take it down.

TSK is dealing with drones for sometime now and thankfully PKK drones are of low quality so their success is small. TSK found solutions in both anti-drone EW "guns", but most importantly some of the units depending on the mission are deployed with a shotgun as a hard kill measure. Usually an ARMSAN RS-S1 is delivered to the units.

When it comes to an air defence system there are a lot of solutions already both in terms of soft kill and hard kill. If we talk about a self defence measure on platoon level I think the best solution would be a shotgun. In certain scenarios there is a dedicated breacher that carries a shotgun. It may be full sized and underbarrel. Judging by the developments a small shotgun will start to take a place in the default configuration within a platoon. Anti-drone EW guns may be good, but they are too big to be carried in a offensive scenarios. A stationary position is better suited for it while the shotgun is both able to shoot down drones if they are close enough, but also can be used in other scenarios with different kinds of munitions.

 

[Bogeyman]

Sniper shots in these situations are really very difficult.

The most stable position is prone supported, or any other modified supported sitting position where the muscle relaxation is at the maximum level. The problem here is that the drone operates at a higher altitude and there will likely be trouble with finding suitable conditions for a supported position that will allow taking a shot in such a steep angle. Also the drone is a little target and must stay steady in order for the Sniper to have a chance to take it down.

TSK is dealing with drones for sometime now and thankfully PKK drones are of low quality so their success is small. TSK found solutions in both anti-drone EW "guns", but most importantly some of the units depending on the mission are deployed with a shotgun as a hard kill measure. Usually an ARMSAN RS-S1 is delivered to the units.

When it comes to an air defence system there are a lot of solutions already both in terms of soft kill and hard kill. If we talk about a self defence measure on platoon level I think the best solution would be a shotgun. In certain scenarios there is a dedicated breacher that carries a shotgun. It may be full sized and underbarrel. Judging by the developments a small shotgun will start to take a place in the default configuration within a platoon. Anti-drone EW guns may be good, but they are too big to be carried in a offensive scenarios. A stationary position is better suited for it while the shotgun is both able to shoot down drones if they are close enough, but also can be used in other scenarios with different kinds of munitions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1609503174095949826

In fact, the MERTER Backpack Electronic Attack System has entered the inventory. I think we have an advantage here against classic kamikaze.

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1609503174095949826

In fact, the MERTER Backpack Electronic Attack System has entered the inventory. I think we have an advantage here against classic kamikaze.

We also have jammers with our METI/PMKI teams that are used for suppressing the activation of IEDs. Maybe they also can cover the frequencies used by the controllers of the UAVs.

 

[Nilgiri]

Anything is possible but dont you think the drone is to small and to simple to give it so much attention?
Every addition would make it costly,no?

I think it has evolved out of the trench warfare situation that is found now there. i.e Close proximity of EW defences etc and more saturation of those compared to hard kill.

So maybe have a bunch of these in the 2nd trench line and operate within some tethered parameters for tactical sensing needs within set range. Keep things linear as possible rather than lateral (crossing/snagging on things)

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765736910943613005

New Russian Russian FPV drone with a coil of thin fiber optic cable over 10 kilometers long. The drone transmits digital, real-time video over a 10.5km spool of fiber-optic cable. This kind of drone is almost impossible to stop with EW.

@Sanchez @Anmdt @Ryder @TR_123456 @Nilgiri @Yasar_TR

How can you find a solution to such a problem, guys? Wouldn't this lead to soft kill systems being garbage?

Deadly thing is these cheap things attacking like a swarm of hornets.

Despite ew what happens when ew gets overwhelmed?

Thats another issue we need to look into.