Seems like it, He is active in other forums but he hasn't posted anything here in like a year.
The only one getting emotional is you, the other guys are stating facts. Otokar produces very few components of their vehicles locally 80-90% of components in their vehicles are procured from other countries that are availabel in the global automotive market through RAM-KOC ticaret (which btw also sells these components to middle eastern countries since western companies refuse to sell them directly which is why they get so many contracts from asian and middle eastern countries) and they only do the assembly of the vehicles in their factory in Turkiye. Their business model is same as other international companies in this industry such as IAG or Streit Group the only difference is that Otokar vehicles seem to be higher quality than what IAG or Streit offers. But if we compare Otokar to companies such as Fnss or BMC which have spent so many resources to localize the land defense industry it is clear that they don't care about the independence and self-sufficiency of the Turkish defence industry rather they are typical globalists fighting for market share and profits.
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How tf did I get emotional for reminding people to follow the rules and wasn't even part of the discussion ? I think you misquoted me.
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Let's not forget that Otokar won the tender to produce prototype of Altay, and they built it and delivered it. Just like they won this tender, and it'll somehow contribute to Türkiye again.
As long as Otokar manages and does indeed create a domestic versions of parts that live up to the standards they import from abroad, I am fine with the slow process.
Would I want higher domestic parts, yes, but not for any price, and especially not if it means we can't field new vehicles. and have to modernize old stuff that should have been scrapped dozens of years ago.
Some "brown noses" moving to other forums, I couldn't care less. people who lack criticism for their own side or standing are the worst, they're doomed to stagnate and drag everyone down. They remain silent in the face of their own sides inadequacies and still vote on them because they fear the opposition.
Lastly, just like the paragraph above, peoples choice of words really riles up tension, either use different words or wait an hour before you post whatever you write.
There are people here who have a different angle on things and instead of patronizing, demonizing or taunting, you should keep an open mind to the potential it contains and what it may mean if there is any truth to it.
We're not here to agree on everything or have the same political view.
As long as Otokar manages and does indeed create a domestic versions of parts that live up to the standards they import from abroad, I am fine with the slow process.
Would I want higher domestic parts, yes, but not for any price, and especially not if it means we can't field new vehicles. and have to modernize old stuff that should have been scrapped dozens of years ago.
Some "brown noses" moving to other forums, I couldn't care less. people who lack criticism for their own side or standing are the worst, they're doomed to stagnate and drag everyone down. They remain silent in the face of their own sides inadequacies and still vote on them because they fear the opposition.
Lastly, just like the paragraph above, peoples choice of words really riles up tension, either use different words or wait an hour before you post whatever you write.
There are people here who have a different angle on things and instead of patronizing, demonizing or taunting, you should keep an open mind to the potential it contains and what it may mean if there is any truth to it.
We're not here to agree on everything or have the same political view.
What is the source of this claim?
A big delegation from Turkish defence industry is visiting Azerbaijan.
www.trthaber.com
“Görgün'e, TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Temel Kotil, HAVELSAN Genel Müdürü Mehmet Akif Nacar, ASELSAN Genel Müdürü Ahmet Akyol, ROKETSAN Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, ASFAT Genel Müdürü Behçet Karataş, MKE Genel Müdürü İlhami Keleş, STM Genel Müdürü Özgür Güleryüz, REPKON Grup Başkanı İbrahim Külekçi ile ASSAN Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Emin Öner de eşlik etti”.
Haluk Görgün, Bakü'de şehitlikleri ziyaret etti
Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Haluk Görgün, Türk savunma sanayii şirketlerinin yöneticileriyle gittiği Bakü'de, Azerbaycan'ın merhum Cumhurbaşkanı Haydar Aliyev'in kabri ile Türk ve Azerbaycan şehitliklerini ziyaret etti.
www.trthaber.com
“Görgün'e, TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Temel Kotil, HAVELSAN Genel Müdürü Mehmet Akif Nacar, ASELSAN Genel Müdürü Ahmet Akyol, ROKETSAN Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, ASFAT Genel Müdürü Behçet Karataş, MKE Genel Müdürü İlhami Keleş, STM Genel Müdürü Özgür Güleryüz, REPKON Grup Başkanı İbrahim Külekçi ile ASSAN Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Emin Öner de eşlik etti”.
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Otokar informational sheets give hints about the subsystems used in the vehicles and Ram-Koc gives information about the systems they supply. They never name companies tho so don't expect to find any specifics, also they don't disclose all of their customers unless given permission by respective governments.
That isn't a source, that's once again a claim.
Here's a source though, in fact, 4 of them:
"Otokar 2020 yılında 981 adedi yerel nitelikli olmak üzere 1.252 tedarikçi firmayla doğrudan ve dolaylı satın alma faaliyeti yürütmüştür. Dönem içerisinde 2.087.883.292 TL tedarik harcaması gerçekleştirilmiş olup harcama bazında yerel tedarik oranı yüzde 48,19 seviyesinde olmuştur."
"Otokar 2021 yılında 1.084 adedi yerel nitelikli olmak üzere 1.356 tedarikçi firmayla doğrudan ve dolaylı satın alma faaliyeti yürütmüştür. Dönem içerisinde 2,5 milyar TL tedarik harcaması gerçekleştirilmiştir; harcama bazında yerel tedarik oranı yüzde 59 seviyesinde olmuştur."
"Otokar 2022 yılında 1.177 adedi yerel nitelikli olmak üzere 1.455 tedarikçi firmayla doğrudan ve dolaylı satın alma faaliyeti yürütmüştür. Dönem içerisinde 7,93 milyar TL tedarik harcaması gerçekleştirilmiştir; harcama bazında yerel tedarik oranı yüzde 44 seviyesinde olmuştur."
"Otokar 2023 yılında 1.130 adedi yerel nitelikli olmak üzere 1.426 tedarikçi firmayla doğrudan ve dolaylı satın alma faaliyeti yürütmüştür. Dönem içerisinde 14,8 milyar TL tedarik harcaması gerçekleştirilmiştir; harcama bazında yerel tedarik oranı yüzde 48 seviyesinde olmuştur."
So, are you ready to accept that the "80-90%" claims are just that or do you have a source that can refute Otokar's reports?
Defence industry experts and journalist have confirmed that thats the range of localisation in most otokar vehicles with some exceptions. However I am not going to waste hours refinding the docs and tweets buddy I got stuff to do other than convince you.
It's not about convincing me mate, it's about whether people are freely making shit up to fit their political agenda or not. And you just answered the question, have fun with the stuff you need to do!
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Edit: The claims in the tweet are false. These are not Cobra II.
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You should backup your claims with the source.
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I don't know what those are but they are not Cobra IIs.
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Is it possible to be a some kind of facelift?
I saw the news from other accounts a couple days before, but couldn't post.
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None of the body lines match. Exposed bulletproof glass panels looks like something Streit would build. Only twitter pages sharing this video are nonsense news ones, no local ones from Kosovo or TR, or defence media. let's see.
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Thanks for noticing!
“Within the framework of the visit, Haluk Gorgun informed the President Ilham Aliyev about the signing of memorandums of understanding between the companies of the Turkish delegation and Azerbaijani defense industry companies on joint activities in several directions.”
en.apa.az
Recall that Azerbaijan will invest at least 1 billion manat (~ $600 million) in local defence industry plants this year alone.
Azerbaijan, Türkiye to ink MoU on defense industry
Azerbaijan, Türkiye to ink MoU on defense industry
en.apa.az
Recall that Azerbaijan will invest at least 1 billion manat (~ $600 million) in local defence industry plants this year alone.
