Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[R4duga]

Some nice video about puna wulung production

they're using Rockwell Collins Cloud Cap TASE400 EOTs camera .

i feel like our pamenpati still dont know what to do with this kind of technology / optimize its capability.

 

[Gary]

Some nice video about puna wulung production

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they're using Rockwell Collins Cloud Cap TASE400 EOTs camera .

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what squadron has this in service??

 

[R4duga]

what squadron has this in service??

51st Squadron

 

[Madokafc]

Some nice video about puna wulung production

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they're using Rockwell Collins Cloud Cap TASE400 EOTs camera .

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i feel like our pamenpati still dont know what to do with this kind of technology / optimize its capability.

Though PT LEN had initiated the efforts to design and build our own optical FLIR or EOT camera for MPA Aircraft since 2004, seems we are stuck behind for a decade in this field compared to what Turkey and South Korean had achieved.

There is almost not end use of our research and development program. Albeit Opto electronic and targeting camera system is a must to have technology nowadays, we are very lacking in this field.

 

[Gary]

SK and Turkey has the sustainable roadmap and policy to develop their industry, and the money too.

 

[Kafkaesque]

Bayraktar is actually using Canadian cam system (and various other systems from various other countries), although now that they basically being embargoed, they are trying to use indigenous system.

That being said, I'd say we follow their way. Use systems made in other country, while keep developing our own.

 

[Parry Brima]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335706834833960966

I know that all of us here are 100% sure that the U.S. will not offer us F-35. But for the sake of discussion, let's assume that this "good news" is related to F-35 (maybe something like "the waiting list for F-35 is no longer 9 yrs, it's 6 yrs if you purchase F-16V").

Would Prabowo consider it? Would he really dump his much beloved French stuff for F-16V if it means F-35 is available within 6 yrs?

 

[Robiolastecc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335706834833960966

I know that all of us here are 100% sure that the U.S. will not offer us F-35. But for the sake of discussion, let's assume that this "good news" is related to F-35 (maybe something like "the waiting list for F-35 is no longer 9 yrs, it's 6 yrs if you purchase F-16V").

Would Prabowo consider it? Would he really dump his much beloved French stuff for F-16V if it means F-35 is available within 6 yrs?

With such already long production queue, i doubt it will come in 6 years, fastest would be 2030 la

 

[Madokafc]

Research and development of S8 rocket for Flanker fleets

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Some nice video about puna wulung production

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they're using Rockwell Collins Cloud Cap TASE400 EOTs camera .

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i feel like our pamenpati still dont know what to do with this kind of technology / optimize its capability.

What is it, is that a capable state of the art device or the opposite ?

Or perhaps our inhan capability unable yet to make such of thing ?

Plz, explain i didn't get the point

 

[R4duga]

What is it, is that a capable state of the art device or the opposite ?

Or perhaps our inhan capability unable yet to make such of thing ?

Plz, explain i didn't get the point

im not talking about the EOTs , but the UAV itself .

 

[Anmdt]

Bayraktar is actually using Canadian cam system (and various other systems from various other countries), although now that they basically being embargoed, they are trying to use indigenous system.

That being said, I'd say we follow their way. Use systems made in other country, while keep developing our own.

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Bayraktar uses the cheapest item in the market (or the one which gives best price for the performance) to lower price and attract for exports. Turkish engine is already powering herons, so probably in future it will replace rotax of tb2.
Bayraktar tbII isn't only, neither first, nor the most critical UAV of Turkey. It is the disposable one. It is not even called strategic but "tactical".
Nice propaganda chart i see there
We are developing E/0 for UAVs since 2010s, E/0 since 2000s. aviation gas engines since 2000, aviation diesel engine since 2010. You may check aselflir series starting from 100, 300 used in Atak, there are some foreigner parts in them and slowly being localized.
What recevied from Germany-US was in 2000s or something for UMTAS probably for prototype or test units, been 20 years and not proved yet, assumed to be such. (some documents has leaked showing only texts and tables, easy to recreate on any pc and printer). Whatever transferred then was a full transfer,not licensed production or such but full ToT with rights.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335706834833960966

I know that all of us here are 100% sure that the U.S. will not offer us F-35. But for the sake of discussion, let's assume that this "good news" is related to F-35 (maybe something like "the waiting list for F-35 is no longer 9 yrs, it's 6 yrs if you purchase F-16V").

Would Prabowo consider it? Would he really dump his much beloved French stuff for F-16V if it means F-35 is available within 6 yrs?

It doesn't have to be fighter to be honest.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Bayraktar is actually using Canadian cam system (and various other systems from various other countries), although now that they basically being embargoed, they are trying to use indigenous system.

That being said, I'd say we follow their way. Use systems made in other country, while keep developing our own

It's not about developing a specific product, but it's about whether the supporting industry exists in the first place.

For example, we want to develop an indigenous optical package. What kind of industry we need then?

1. An existing optical industry that at least already supplying industrial market demand
2. An existing semiconductor industry that at lest already supplying both industrial & consumer market demand

We have neither of those.

 

[Jhie_Oeng]

Sad news from Adisucipto about our KT - 1 Wong Bee... 2 pilot survived
but the plane had total lost..

 

[Madokafc]

Sad news from Adisucipto about our KT - 1 Wong Bee... 2 pilot survived
but the plane had total lost..

Plane can be bought or built but we can't return the lost soul....

For the pilots to survive is a grat news itself.

 

[Kafkaesque]

Bayraktar uses the cheapest item in the market (or the one which gives best price for the performance) to lower price and attract for exports. Turkish engine is already powering herons, so probably in future it will replace rotax of tb2.
Bayraktar tbII isn't only, neither first, nor the most critical UAV of Turkey. It is the disposable one. It is not even called strategic but "tactical".
Nice propaganda chart i see there
We are developing E/0 for UAVs since 2010s, E/0 since 2000s. aviation gas engines since 2000, aviation diesel engine since 2010. You may check aselflir series starting from 100, 300 used in Atak, there are some foreigner parts in them and slowly being localized.
What recevied from Germany-US was in 2000s or something for UMTAS probably for prototype or test units, been 20 years and not proved yet, assumed to be such. (some documents has leaked showing only texts and tables, easy to recreate on any pc and printer). Whatever transferred then was a full transfer,not licensed production or such but full ToT with rights.

Thanks for the info! The graphic isn't actually mine, I found it on Twitter, and as far as I know it is based on the Bayraktar shot down during the latest Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. So yes, it is supposedly the export (for Azerbaijan) version.

It's not about developing a specific product, but it's about whether the supporting industry exists in the first place.

For example, we want to develop an indigenous optical package. What kind of industry we need then?

1. An existing optical industry that at least already supplying industrial market demand
2. An existing semiconductor industry that at lest already supplying both industrial & consumer market demand

We have neither of those.

Okay, I'll revise my post a little. Here's the new version:

That being said, I'd say we follow their way. Use systems made in other country, while start developing our own

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335896445312851968

 

[Anmdt]

So yes, it is supposedly the export (for Azerbaijan) version.

Also Bayraktar tbII uses uses Wescam-CATS some published videos has shown different cross-hairs, in ANKA some uses imported Starfire, Wescam or Aselsan's, some has replaced with locally made, some still operates with foreign E/O.
It is not truly known which system is installed in what, or in which version but those parts are easily sold without laser ranging-targeting units. There were rumors that Bayraktar (Authorized regional service of Wescam) purchases the basic variant of the E/O and upgrades it in their facilities for laser targeting. yes Bayraktar is still authorized service and maintenance center of Wescam in the region.
Wescam was banned earlier in Syrian operations, and released a few months later, the same will happen now they won't miss the chance of exports.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335896445312851968

Happy to hear pilots are recovered.