TR Nuclear Energy Program

[Ecderha]

The same logic must be applied to the Russian strategic technology.

We shot their fighter jet in 2015 (in the same period their officers were hunted like flies in the Turkmen Mountain by our assets), in 2016 a Russian supplied MANPADS to PKK shot down a Turkish AH-1W Cobra helicopter in Turkiye, in 2017 during the Operation Euphrates Shield a Russian TU-22 "mistakenly" bombed a building in which Turkish Special Forces were stationed resulting in 3 martyrs and 11 wounded, in 2020 a Russian SU-34s bombed a Turkish convoy in Balyun, Syria resulting in the martyrdom of more than 30 Turkish soldiers and tens of wounded.

What is happening today? Terrorists under Russian protection are targeting our assets and soldiers in Syria daily and resulted in tens of martyrs both from our soldiers, but also from our law enforcement personnel. One of the main reasons for them not to take Kiev are Turkish supplied drones, we effectively pushed them out of Karabakh and their peace keepers died in result of the steel punch of our Azerbaijani brothers. And this is only a part of the whole situation.

Just yesterday a Russian supplied FPV drone, launched from Russian protected area hit the dirt obstacles in the vicinity of our base in Kastun, Syria.

On who we can rely for strategic support?

EDIT: A Russian supplied FPV drone was directly used against the TSK base in Kansafra today...

ruzzia is not you Ally, by any offical document! I do not understand what you compare ruzzian with usa?
Turkiye does not have any obligation or expectations from ruzzia. It is Pure temporary agreements dependent from situtation.

usa on other hand is ally
usa have obligations to Turkiye and vas versa
usa have bases and troops on Turkiye territory
etc.............................

So my logic is on Facts and Current reality -> It mean that you can be naive and please usa. Or you can use all of the facts which happend when you seat on table with usa.

No more pleasing. Just behave as you behave with ruzzia. Short agreements you do that I do that for all (even for small details).
As for long agreement DO NOT expect to be happening from usa. They prove that they do not fulfil there part.
That is why long therm agreement with usa on strategic assets is NOT Feasible.
It is time Turkiye to align with current usa policy. It mean that usa are hostile stand against Turkiye, if there are diplomacy requests Turkiye should ask usa to fullfil FIRST thier side of agreement then Turkiye.

The only think which we see here is that what ever is the event/case usa keep demanding from Turkiye!
usa hostility actions and they demanding!? usa lost hard build up relationship on mutual trust. In persent days there is nothing!
NATO offical contract is there, YES. But usa is siding with ruzzia aginst Turkiye. usa is siding with PKK against Turkiye. As I said above, the list is long...........
Do not make this list bigger by you own choice relying on usa! With current usa policy you asking to be F...d

 

[Kartal1]

ruzzia is not you Ally, by any offical document! I do not understand what you compare ruzzian with usa?
Turkiye does not have any obligation or expectations from ruzzia. It is Pure temporary agreements dependent from situtation.

usa on other hand is ally
usa have obligations to Turkiye and vas versa
usa have bases and troops on Turkiye territory
etc.............................

So my logic is on Facts and Current reality -> It mean that you can be naive and please usa. Or you can use all of the facts which happend when you seat on table with usa.

No more pleasing. Just behave as you behave with ruzzia. Short agreements you do that I do that for all (even for small details).
As for long agreement DO NOT expect to be happening from usa. They prove that they do not fulfil there part.
That is why long therm agreement with usa on strategic assets is NOT Feasible.
It is time Turkiye to align with current usa policy. It mean that usa are hostile stand against Turkiye, if there are diplomacy requests Turkiye should ask usa to fullfil FIRST thier side of agreement then Turkiye.

The only think which we see here is that what ever is the event/case usa keep demanding from Turkiye!
usa hostility actions and they demanding!? usa lost hard build up relationship on mutual trust. In persent days there is nothing!
NATO offical contract is there, YES. But usa is siding with ruzzia aginst Turkiye. usa is siding with PKK against Turkiye. As I said above, the list is long...........
Do not make this list bigger by you own choice relying on usa! With current usa policy you asking to be F...d

Let's not get into delusions. No Russia or the US is a real ally and papers are just papers. Obligations are for us and not for them.

I am comparing Russia and the US regarding this topic because we already have a Russian! nuclear powerplant on our territory and we are negotiating for a second one and I see nobody protesting.

 

[dBSPL]

ruzzia is not you Ally, by any offical document! I do not understand what you compare ruzzian with usa?
Turkiye does not have any obligation or expectations from ruzzia. It is Pure temporary agreements dependent from situtation.

usa on other hand is ally
usa have obligations to Turkiye and vas versa
usa have bases and troops on Turkiye territory
etc.............................

So my logic is on Facts and Current reality -> It mean that you can be naive and please usa. Or you can use all of the facts which happend when you seat on table with usa.

No more pleasing. Just behave as you behave with ruzzia. Short agreements you do that I do that for all (even for small details).
As for long agreement DO NOT expect to be happening from usa. They prove that they do not fulfil there part.
That is why long therm agreement with usa on strategic assets is NOT Feasible.
It is time Turkiye to align with current usa policy. It mean that usa are hostile stand against Turkiye, if there are diplomacy requests Turkiye should ask usa to fullfil FIRST thier side of agreement then Turkiye.

The only think which we see here is that what ever is the event/case usa keep demanding from Turkiye!
usa hostility actions and they demanding!? usa lost hard build up relationship on mutual trust. In persent days there is nothing!
NATO offical contract is there, YES. But usa is siding with ruzzia aginst Turkiye. usa is siding with PKK against Turkiye. As I said above, the list is long...........
Do not make this list bigger by you own choice relying on usa! With current usa policy you asking to be F...d

IMHO, for its own geopolitical and socio-historical reasons, Turkiye cannot develop an alliance based on complete and total sincerity with either the US or Russia. In order for Turkiye to develop an alliance with these countries, it can only proceed by accepting their dominant positions from the outset and not asserting the same prioritization of its national interests, which is obviously a precondition for Turkiye to accept being trapped within certain borders.

In terms of its ability to intervene in Turkiye, the US capacity is incomparably higher than that of Russia. The 70 years in the Atlanticist alliance have played a major role in this. A deep network from politics to business, bureaucracy to NGOs. The main factor that drove us to the United States 70 years ago was that the imminent threat was Soviet Russia even it was a toxic relationship from the beginning. So today, whether the imminent threat today is postmodern Russia or the increasingly aggressive US Establisment is a moot point.

We have no choice but to build our own power center. This is not wishful thinking, but a necessity for century goals and beyond.

 

[Ecderha]

IMHO, for its own geopolitical and socio-historical reasons, Turkiye cannot develop an alliance based on complete and total sincerity with either the US or Russia. In order for Turkiye to develop an alliance with these countries, it can only proceed by accepting their dominant positions from the outset and not asserting the same prioritization of its national interests, which is obviously a precondition for Turkiye to accept being trapped within certain borders.

In terms of its ability to intervene in Turkiye, the US capacity is incomparably higher than that of Russia. The 70 years in the Atlanticist alliance have played a major role in this. A deep network from politics to business, bureaucracy to NGOs. The main factor that drove us to the United States 70 years ago was that the imminent threat was Soviet Russia even it was a toxic relationship from the beginning. So today, whether the imminent threat today is postmodern Russia or the increasingly aggressive US Establisment is a moot point.

We have no choice but to build our own power center. This is not wishful thinking, but a necessity for century goals and beyond.

"We have no choice but to build our own power center" <- This is what I am trying to say from the begining.

I try to list a Facts showing that usa is not ally anymore. They showed thier hostile intention openly.
Ruzzia is hostile. I do not undertstand why ruzzia is added to topic as some kind of ally at all?

 

[Windchime]

Why was the Japanese program cancelled?

Fukushima, Fukushima related new safety improvements making prices higher, not being able to come to a financing agreement G2G, Turkish economy. Per reports, project cost of 15+ billion had grown to 45+ billion in few years. Atmea was also a joint French Japanese program, don't know if there was French backtracking involved.

Japanese were interested in teaming up with the French and offering their reactors all over the world and Sinop would be the first example. But after Fukushima, partnership ended and I don't think they offered to build anyone any other reactors.

Add to that, there was the weak Turkish Lira which compounded the difficulties in cost negotiations as well. The negotiations with the Turkish government, and subsequently the Atmea joint venture broke down in 2018, quite a long while after Fukushima disaster. Though it is also correct that tighter safety requirements demand that came into place after Fukushima is one of the other major reason for the deal to have been never reached.

Just wanted to clarify since "after Fukushima" sounds a bit like Areva/EDF and MHI abbandoned Atmea right after Fukushima happened. In reality, both had a will to continue the program, at least on surface, until Itchou finally pulled the plug.

 

[Windchime]

Negotiations are being held with Russia and South Korea for the nuclear power plant in Sinop


Bayraktar stated that efforts are continuing to commission the first reactor of the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant (NGP) this year and that all reactors will be commissioned in 2028.

Explaining that there is a need for a nuclear power plant with four reactors in Sinop and Thrace, Bayraktar stated that negotiations were held with Russia and South Korea for the power plant planned to be established in Sinop.

Bayraktar stated that they talked mainly with China about Thrace and that they have reached a serious point and said, "Hopefully, we need to name it within this year. We are working on it." said.

Enerji ve Tabii Kaynaklar Bakanı Bayraktar, Gabar'da günlük petrol üretiminin 37 bin varili aştığını söyledi

Enerji ve Tabii Kaynaklar Bakanı Alparslan Bayraktar, Gabar'da petrol üretiminde günlük 37 bin varilin üzerine çıkıldığını bildirdi - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

So it's probably a 3-way competition between Korea, China and Russia.

I'd still expect Russia to be most ahead. Despite the war, due to Rosatom's position in worldwide nuclear industry, they were left intact, a complete opposite of their MIC.

China was putting in a lot of effort in UK projects but the UK government formally banned any Chinese involvement in their nuclear industry. Now, they have even more incentives to win the Turkish competition, so I'd also expect some aggressive deals from the Chinese side.

As for the Korean offer, it's the most western option, without you typical western problems when it comes to nuclear power projects by the likes of WH and EDF.

 

[Shtr]

Is there any detail regarding transfer of tech? I personally trust Koreans much more than any other country. I expect such a transfer may happen too.

 

[TheInsider]

So it's probably a 3-way competition between Korea, China and Russia.

I'd still expect Russia to be most ahead. Despite the war, due to Rosatom's position in worldwide nuclear industry, they were left intact, a complete opposite of their MIC.

China was putting in a lot of effort in UK projects but the UK government formally banned any Chinese involvement in their nuclear industry. Now, they have even more incentives to win the Turkish competition, so I'd also expect some aggressive deals from the Chinese side.

As for the Korean offer, it's the most western option, without you typical western problems when it comes to nuclear power projects by the likes of WH and EDF.

Nope, Korea is reluctant because of the US pressure. You guys are afraid of the US but if TR-US relations further improve Korea will be in the picture.

 

[Lool]

So it's probably a 3-way competition between Korea, China and Russia.

I'd still expect Russia to be most ahead. Despite the war, due to Rosatom's position in worldwide nuclear industry, they were left intact, a complete opposite of their MIC.

China was putting in a lot of effort in UK projects but the UK government formally banned any Chinese involvement in their nuclear industry. Now, they have even more incentives to win the Turkish competition, so I'd also expect some aggressive deals from the Chinese side.

As for the Korean offer, it's the most western option, without you typical western problems when it comes to nuclear power projects by the likes of WH and EDF.

The problem with Korea is the pressure from the US

The US is set on preventing Turkey from acquiring nuclear tech one way or another for many years; this is why Turkey had Russia build its first NPP and why China and Turkey are so close on setting a deal for a third NPP in Turkey with the second being given to the Russians

For Turkey, S.Korea is the best option as the ties between the Turks and Koreans are strong but with the US in between, it is near impossible for such a deal to pass through especially with recent tensions

 

[TheInsider]

The problem with Korea is the pressure from the US

The US is set on preventing Turkey from acquiring nuclear tech one way or another for many years; this is why Turkey had Russia build its first NPP and why China and Turkey are so close on setting a deal for a third NPP in Turkey with the second being given to the Russians

For Turkey, S.Korea is the best option as the ties between the Turks and Koreans are strong but with the US in between, it is near impossible for such a deal to pass through especially with recent tensions

True and it is just not the US. Western camp as a whole is against Turkiye acquiring nuclear energy. France, Canada, and Japan are also on the same bandwagon. When Japan wanted to make an offer it was casually reminded by the US that it would not be in their interest.

 

[Rooxbar]

Is there any detail regarding transfer of tech? I personally trust Koreans much more than any other country. I expect such a transfer may happen too.

People who have worked with Korean firms do not share in this trust with you.

 

[Saithan]

Well, you can find bad eggs in any country. I think it's important to look at the principles behind the business deals. I think it's more likely that we get Korean or Russia power plant.

 

[No Name]

I just hope that the tech transfer happens seamlessly. The Akkuyu contract mentions it, but Russia is unpredictable.

Does the contract actually mention it or is this like the S-400s again?

Also, how the hell did Iran overtake Turkey in nuclear power sector?

 

[_Mu_]

Turkey is willing to consider the option of purchasing small nuclear reactors after the launch of the Akkuyu NPP and the construction of two new NPPs in Sinop and Thrace, said Alparslan Bayraktar, Minister of Energy and Natural Resources of Turkey, during a panel session at ATOMEXPO 2024. The session was moderated by Sergey Brilev, President of the Global Energy Association.​

https://globalenergyprize.org/en/2024/03/29/turkey-ready-to-purchase-small-modular-reactors-after-launching-three-large-npps/

 

[BaburKhan]

Turkiye Plans To Develop Indigenous Nuclear Technology — Nuclear Business Platform

Turkish Energy, Nuclear and Mining Research Institute (TENMAK) is exploring various nuclear technologies such as GEN III+, GEN IV and Small Modular Reactor (SMR) technologies.

www.nuclearbusiness-platform.com

 

[UkroTurk]

Fuel in seawater: The Black Sea is the richest sea in the world in terms of uranium


Uranium element is the raw material of nuclear energy, and according to MTA sources in 2020, there are 32055 tons of visible U3O8 reserves in our country, which will soon move to the nuclear energy production phase. It is estimated that there are 5-6 million tons of uranium ore on earth. In other words, there is 3g of uranium in one ton of the earth's crust. 75 percent of the world's reserves of economic value are located in Kazakhstan, Canada and Australia. An average of 70,000 tons of uranium is consumed every year in the 435 nuclear power plants currently operating in the world. According to this consumption rate, it is calculated that the known reserves of uranium will be exhausted in approximately 80 years [1]. Extracting uranium from soil using conventional methods consists of a series of processes that are extremely laborious, costly and create environmental problems.


On the other hand, the total amount of uranium dissolved in water in the seas of our world, 70 percent of which is covered with seas, is calculated as 4.5 billion tons, meaning that the seas are at least 1000 times richer than the land in terms of uranium content. In this case, the seas emerge as a very important source for uranium extraction. However, the concentration of uranium in seawater is 3.3 ppb (parts per billion), meaning that there are approximately 33 molecules of uranium in 10 billion water molecules. In other words, there are 3.3 micrograms of uranium in 1 liter of seawater. Considering the presence of various metal ions, which are extremely abundant in seawater, it can be easily understood how difficult it would be to selectively separate the already very small amount of uranium from this complex environment.

On the other hand, the uranium found in the Black Sea waters is twice the world average of 3.3 ppb, that is, 6-7 ppb [2]. In this case, we are Japan, the USA, China, India, etc., which are working intensively to extract uranium from sea water. We can extract uranium from our waters, which are 100 percent richer in uranium than other countries, at a lower cost and with higher efficiency.

In this article, a brief historical development of obtaining uranium from seawater, adsorbents with very high uranium affinity, and the technique and economy of obtaining uranium from seawater will be discussed.

Deniz suyundaki yakıt: Karadeniz uranyum bakımından dünyanın en zengin denizi

Biz, deniz suyundan uranyum çıkartmak için yoğun çalışmalar yapmakta olan Japonya, ABD, Çin, Hindistan vb. ülkelere göre uranyumca daha zengin olan sularımızdan daha düşük bir maliyet ve yüksek verimlilikle uranyum çıkartabiliriz

t24.com.tr

 

[DBdev]

22 thousand tons of Uranium reserves discovered in Nevşehir Dadağı and GÜMÜŞyazı regions. Worth around 2 billion dollars.

Nevşehir'de 22 Bin Ton Uranyum Rezervi Keşfi, Nükleer Enerji

Nevşehir'de 22 bin ton uranyum rezervi keşfedildi. Bu keşif, Türkiye'nin nükleer enerji potansiyelini ve enerji güvenliğini artıracak önemli bir adım.

yesilhaber.net

Here is the story of first uranium mine and dollar. Did you know uranium was first found in silver mines and they were considered as bad luck?

Welcome to Jáchymov: the Czech town that invented the dollar

Five hundred years after coining the first dollar, a tiny mining town is coming to grips with the many ways it shaped the modern world.

www.bbc.com

 

[Lool]

22 thousand tons of Uranium reserves discovered in Nevşehir Dadağı and GÜMÜŞyazı regions. Worth around 2 billion dollars.

Nevşehir'de 22 Bin Ton Uranyum Rezervi Keşfi, Nükleer Enerji

Nevşehir'de 22 bin ton uranyum rezervi keşfedildi. Bu keşif, Türkiye'nin nükleer enerji potansiyelini ve enerji güvenliğini artıracak önemli bir adım.

yesilhaber.net

Here is the story of first uranium mine and dollar. Did you know uranium was first found in silver mines and they were considered as bad luck?

Welcome to Jáchymov: the Czech town that invented the dollar

Five hundred years after coining the first dollar, a tiny mining town is coming to grips with the many ways it shaped the modern world.

www.bbc.com

The main question here is how many years would these 22 000 tons would be able to provide Turkey with stable, domestic, power

 

[TheInsider]

The main question here is how many years would these 22 000 tons would be able to provide Turkey with stable, domestic, power

Turkiye is theorized to be rich in fissile materials but Turkish authorities have never done any prospecting because producing fuel from ore seemed like a dangerous business. Current uranium reserves are around ~50000 tons with this latest discovery.

 

[DBdev]

Turkiye is theorized to be rich in fissile materials but Turkish authorities have never done any prospecting because producing fuel from ore seemed like a dangerous business. Current uranium reserves are around ~50000 tons with this latest discovery.

What you are saying seems completely inaccurate to me.

1. Most of the uranium fuel are produced by 2 Turkic nations. Saying Turks are somehow scared of Uranium because it is “dangerous” is, well silly.
2. Turkish-Russian reactor project may not include any local pellet, rod production but it is known we wanted local fuel production and storage of depleted fissile material. How else are you going to produce it locally without mining it yourself.
3. Pakistan got huge amounts of uranium enrichment centrifuges other parts from Türkiye.
4. Every other year there is some nuclear material seized in Türkiye.
5. Gaddafi had a large amount of yellow cake, some say on Twitter that Türkiye bought it after Libya fell when they couldn't technologically handle centrifuges given to them by Pakistan. They handed over centrifuges to west like fools hoping a reward but Libya showed weakness by not being able to handle making even a single nuke. If you can't become a wolf then you are just food. Like several Muslim nations.
6. Announcing nuclear weapons program by Erdoğan also can't be done without actually gathering enough nuclear warheads beforehand. That would be suicide.
7. Iraq, Libya, Syria were invaded because their nuclear programs were uncovered before a nuclear weapons test.
8. Most likely we were enriching uranium secretly as long as Pakistan was. We just didn't announce it until Erdoğan.

I am no insider though.