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[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1816457605012664460

so wtf is this suicide jetski doing in Turkey

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1816457605012664460

so wtf is this suicide jetski doing in Turkey

Probably lost connection or engine and drifted for days-weeks.

 

[what]

I wouldnt go close to that thing, wtf are people doing.

 

[Saithan]

I wouldnt go close to that thing, wtf are people doing.

unfortunately ignorance..... anyone with a brain would put distance to that thing and call the police. Warning our own people from approaching would, of course, result in people going closer.

Sad to say so.

 

[Saithan]

{#NavalSystems}
aselBUOY 100P Passive Directional Sonobuoy has an important role in anti-submarine warfare.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1817881667790323786

FU.CK YEAH! this is what I was talking about. But I was thinking of something bigger and more permanent (kinda like an outpost) TCG could pay visit to these big sononuoys and do maintenance and such, or replace them with the ones that needs to be.. Solar panels and semiactive etc.

 

[boredaf]

FU.CK YEAH! this is what I was talking about. But I was thinking of something bigger and more permanent (kinda like an outpost) TCG could pay visit to these big sononuoys and do maintenance and such, or replace them with the ones that needs to be.. Solar panels and semiactive etc.

That defeats its purpose though, light, cheap, disposable and unlikely to get captured. These should be light enough that a TB3 could drop several of these if necessary.

 

[Saithan]

That defeats its purpose though, light, cheap, disposable and unlikely to get captured. These should be light enough that a TB3 could drop several of these if necessary.

Well, I was thinking some of the buoys were passive radar extenders or relay points. And could be either for Air or subsurface. Some of them could be for marine life research and completly harmless.

My point was to have a web of these in Mavi Vatan so that we could mark our territory. I'm sure people with extensive knowledge of radar and communication could find more ways it could be useful

 

[boredaf]

My point was to have a web of these in Mavi Vatan so that we could mark our territory.

Or we make a web of platforms (like oil rigs) that are used as an early warning/ first line of defence platforms. Fitted with radars, sonars, air defence systems and USVs to patrol our waters.

 

[zio]

Submarines becomes very cilient thats why passive sonobuoys is not useful for let alone use,but contrary they are very useful to detect subs if there are many ships with active hull mounted or towed sonar systems its called multistatik system.If 3 of them are distrubuted properly passive sonobuoys gets sonar waves returned from a subs you can track exact position of it that is the most difficult part of submarine warfare.

 

[Anmdt]

Submarines becomes very cilient thats why passive sonobuoys is not useful for let alone use,but contrary they are very useful to detect subs if there are many ships with active hull mounted or towed sonar systems its called multistatik system.If 3 of them are distrubuted properly passive sonobuoys gets sonar waves returned from a subs you can track exact position of it that is the most difficult part of submarine warfare.

Passive systems has longer detection and classification range than active systems, much more reliable for classification if deployed accordingly. Sonobuoys often deployed en-masse and across a large area and they are dispensable set of systems. However, the opposing side is smart enough to run an USV through sonobuoy-ed area and clean those, or jam the communication channels.

Some foreign companies also developed multi-static sonobuoys, which are active and pings in a certain (randomized) intervals to monitor an area. The challenge here is the durability but with the most recent battery tech (and energy harvesting techniques) this shouldn't be the biggest concern anymore but the need of communication.

However, in the end the warfare is a whole, not a singly picked aspect to evaluate. Once the sonobuoys are jammed the defending side would get the idea of a submarine presence in the sonobuoy-ed area and this is a sufficient information.

USVs will be the true game changer here with a decently capable passive systems (similar to Meteksan's fiber sensor) being deployed and staying afloat-passive and powering the sensors and processors.

 

[Sanchez]

That defeats its purpose though, light, cheap, disposable and unlikely to get captured. These should be light enough that a TB3 could drop several of these if necessary.

What happened to Aksungur sonobuoy launcher anyway? Maybe they haven't found the time to integrate it with all Aksungurs being over Iraq.

 

[Anmdt]

P-1012, Ares' SAT boat has a pennant number, but I can't confirm that these boats were in service.

Are these pictures from the time when these boats were evaluated and found to be non-compliant, resulting in Y&O's MRTP-U being ordered? (STAMP is of a newer version, not the old one)

Possibly these are the boats ordered by Iraq, TN does not use the Patrol (P) pennant number coding on the boats.

Iraq's design had a mast fitted with sensors, but if it is the final form, these boats lack it, so it has led to confusion.

 

[Quasar]

 

[Sanchez]

Look at this beaut. Savarona, under navy command since 2019, she was renovated beginning from last year and made its first sea trials this week. Per navy, she will be used for training first and then as a museum ship under its own power, visiting various ports around the country. Looks like she will no longer be used as part of the presidential protocol.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1819658491969126587

 

[Sanchez]

And a video. TCG Istanbul saluting the Savarona s such a proud scene for me. And second Hisar Class P1221 Koçhisar is being fitted out at the background. Can't see P1220, we haven't seen much of her since her main gun was fitted back in april. Behind Koçhisar, another Istif class is in construction in the drydock.

Last tidbit, visible on one of its life rings, Savarona now have the hull number A-576 in the navy service, after A-574 TCG Durmuş and A-575 TCG Ekmekçi support ships.

 

[Anmdt]

And a video. TCG Istanbul saluting the Savarona s such a proud scene for me. And second Hisar Class P1221 Koçhisar is being fitted out at the background. Can't see P1220, we haven't seen much of her since her main gun was fitted back in april. Behind Koçhisar, another Istif class is in construction in the drydock.

Last tidbit, visible on one of its life rings, Savarona now have the hull number A-576 in the navy service, after A-574 TCG Durmuş and A-575 TCG Ekmekçi support ships.

P-1220 should be farther on right of the video getting ready for the first sea trial, and the one in the dock should be 2nd ship (3rd of the overall program) of Pakistani Navy being constructed here at Naval Shipyard. The image is low in quality but i seem to notice it has an ESM module on top of the mast that is available on PNS Khaibar, not in any of Hisar Class. Or alternatively could be one of the the Ada-Class going through maintenance.

A-576 is a strange choice, i expected they would follow the line of Cezayirli Hasan Paşa. And they don't print the pennant number on the hull, such a good and considerate move.

 

[Sanchez]

P-1220 should be farther on right of the video getting ready for the first sea trial, and the one in the dock should be 2nd ship of Pakistani Navy being constructed here at Naval Shipyard.

A-576 is a strange choice, i expected they would follow the line of Cezayirli Hasan Paşa. And they don't print the pennant number on the hull, such a good and considerate move.

Wasn't Khaibar launched in 2022? I remember seeing her much more "ready" than this. Bridge design also looks like Istif. But also true that 3 Istifs shouldn't be here as they are built by TAIS. Could it be the 5th Istif perchance

Isn't TCG Akar still in service? Maybe A581 to replace the old Çınar's number.

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Zooming in, unsure really.

 

[Anmdt]

Wasn't Khaibar launched in 2022? I remember seeing her much more "ready" than this. Bridge design also looks like Istif. But also true that 3 Istifs shouldn't be here as they are built by TAIS. Could it be the 5th Istif perchance

Isn't TCG Akar still in service? Maybe A581 to replace the old Çınar's number.

It was launched but the ships visit drydock regularly for fitting out, the last one is more of an inspection before sailing so i took it for the one.

It is impossible to see 6th ship (Izmit) there, i think it will be fitted out in the shipyard it is being constructed (Should be Anadolu, and i think they have a Dry Dock, if no they will utilize Sedef's, or as a last resort, benefitting from Naval Shipyard like others). While Ukranian Milgem has visited Naval Shipyard for fitting out at least once. Could also be first ship of Ukranian Milgem but again doubting because i have just seen it in RMK.

She could have got A-579/7 both owned by training ships. This indicates Navy is planning further and real training ships too. A-576 is a strange choice, could they have repurposed some old lifebuoys from the warehouse?

 

[Sanchez]

It was launched but the ships visit drydock regularly for fitting out, the last one is more of an inspection before sailing so i took it for the one.

It is impossible to see 6th ship (Izmit) there, i think it will be fitted out in the shipyard it is being constructed (Should be Anadolu, and i think they have a Dry Dock, if no they will utilize Sedef's, or as a last resort, benefitting from Naval Shipyard like others). While Ukranian Milgem has visited Naval Shipyard for fitting out at least once. Could also be first ship of Ukranian Milgem but again doubting because i have just seen it in RMK.

She could have got A-579/7 both owned by training ships. This indicates Navy is planning further and real training ships too. A-576 is a strange choice, could they have repurposed some old lifebuoys from the warehouse?

True true, all 7 are to be built private. Can't be the F-516 from Anadolu as well, first block was delivered in november 23, probably outline is just now becoming visible.

Navy deserves and needs a tall ship to go along with Savarona, won't change my mind... Could probably employ something like Anadolu built for Qatar as well. Doubt Savarona will be a good training ship.

 

[Anmdt]

True true, all 7 are to be built private. Can't be the F-516 from Anadolu as well, first block was delivered in november 23, probably outline is just now becoming visible.

Navy deserves and needs a tall ship to go along with Savarona, won't change my mind... Could probably employ something like Anadolu built for Qatar as well. Doubt Savarona will be a good training ship.

F-516 and rest will be built, erected and launched by private shipyards and fitted out in shipyards whom responsible for the process, so even if they visit Naval Shipyard it will merely be for drydocking but i highly doubt this*. Since they have little experience on dry docking process of combatants (the sonar dome makes it hell and requires special set of supports). As far as i know Anadolu shipyard has no dry dock, so they are going to need a dry dock during installation of some wet-end systems.

I agree on the tall ship and new training ships especially the latter is urgently needed, Qatar's training ships are good and nice but i have a feeling that we will derive a training ship out of the Milgem design.