Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Umigami]

Some of my source say there's a slight chance for F15/18 to fulfill our trade balance with US alongside awacs and airlift if possible

Idk if rafale really got locked on, that one hasn't been answered.

Edit: if Rafale deal get signed on this month or next year, it means there's no chance for F15/18 in here

Order poseidon and wedgetail then.

 

[R4duga]

Order poseidon and wedgetail then.

+ C-130 J or H

 

[Umigami]

Some of my source say there's a slight chance for F15/18 to fulfill our trade balance with US alongside awacs and airlift if possible

Idk if rafale really got locked on, that one hasn't been answered.

Edit: if Rafale deal get signed on this month or next year, it means there's no chance for F15/18 in here

Specify "next year"? January when trump lengser?
is it possible to do it later? Mid 2021 perhaps?

 

[trishna_amrta]

Some of my source say there's a slight chance for F15/18 to fulfill our trade balance with US alongside awacs and airlift if possible

Idk if rafale really got locked on, that one hasn't been answered.

Edit: if Rafale deal get signed on this month or next year, it means there's no chance for F15/18 in here

My own take on this fighter plane drama is as follows ;

• Typhoon (Tranche 1) : We seriously need for interceptor. And Tranche 1 happen to be available (ready stock). Furthermore, I'm guessing ScaryBus is also offering Industrial Collaboration
• Rafale : We need more quantity of more capable fighter. This however I believe there is more than just fighter plane procurement. And most likely is ties to trade deals in other industrial sector (Palm Oil came into mind here)
• Anything from US of A (Super Eagle, Super Bug, WedgeTail, Poseidon, etc) : Is all about trade balance. And keep in mind of the GSP (General System of Preference) that was recently extended for Indonesia by the Trump administration.

Now the question. Does anyone here know what kind of Industrial Collaboration does ScaryBus is offering with the Trance 1 acquisition?

 

[Madokafc]

This Missiles should be standard CN235 MPA TNI

 

[Madokafc]

US still hold many Trump card though to balance the trade deficit, as we still need to strike deal for helicopters, Javelin ATGM, AEW/C, Poseidon, Hercules, and right now we are trying to negotiate for Naval weapon system.

 

[joedhie2k]

Now the question. Does anyone here know what kind of Industrial Collaboration does ScaryBus is offering with the Trance 1 acquisition?

Upgrade to tranche 2 wkwkwkwkwkwk

 

[Madokafc]

Btw, how the progress of Norway F16 ?

 

[trishna_amrta]

Btw, how the progress of Norway F16 ?

I don't see it even possible. Buying those Norway F16 mean we won't be "Buy American, Hire American" thus doesn't help to "Make America Great Again". Say goodbye to that GSP if we ever do that.

 

[Umigami]

Btw, how the progress of Norway F16 ?

08 doesn't even want F16v.

 

[Umigami]

My own take on this fighter plane drama is as follows ;

• Typhoon (Tranche 1) : We seriously need for interceptor. And Tranche 1 happen to be available (ready stock). Furthermore, I'm guessing ScaryBus is also offering Industrial Collaboration
• Rafale : We need more quantity of more capable fighter. This however I believe there is more than just fighter plane procurement. And most likely is ties to trade deals in other industrial sector (Palm Oil came into mind here)
• Anything from US of A (Super Eagle, Super Bug, WedgeTail, Poseidon, etc) : Is all about trade balance. And keep in mind of the GSP (General System of Preference) that was recently extended for Indonesia by the Trump administration.

Now the question. Does anyone here know what kind of Industrial Collaboration does ScaryBus is offering with the Trance 1 acquisition?

Typhoon with the least economic value is the most vulnerable.

 

[Umigami]

US still hold many Trump card though to balance the trade deficit, as we still need to strike deal for helicopters, Javelin ATGM, AEW/C, Poseidon, Hercules, and right now we are trying to negotiate for Naval weapon system.

Naval weapon system? Essm for 30ffm?

 

[Madokafc]

08 doesn't even want F16v.

V must buy, but Norway is for free platform either for spares or to be refurbished

 

[Umigami]

V must buy, but Norway is for free platform either for spares or to be refurbished

V still on table?

 

[Zapper]

My own take on this fighter plane drama is as follows ;

• Typhoon (Tranche 1) : We seriously need for interceptor. And Tranche 1 happen to be available (ready stock). Furthermore, I'm guessing ScaryBus is also offering Industrial Collaboration
• Rafale : We need more quantity of more capable fighter. This however I believe there is more than just fighter plane procurement. And most likely is ties to trade deals in other industrial sector (Palm Oil came into mind here)
• Anything from US of A (Super Eagle, Super Bug, WedgeTail, Poseidon, etc) : Is all about trade balance. And keep in mind of the GSP (General System of Preference) that was recently extended for Indonesia by the Trump administration.

Now the question. Does anyone here know what kind of Industrial Collaboration does ScaryBus is offering with the Trance 1 acquisition?

Why exactly would anyone want 3-4 different types of fighter jets and the complications of dealing with multiple countries?

Going with the Typhoon would be the biggest blunder primarily due to it's relatively higher cost of procurement and aftersales support combined with the headache of dealing with UK, Germany, Italy & Spain for spares, maintenance and logistics.

 

[Gary]

Why exactly would anyone want 3-4 different types of fighter jets and the complications of dealing with multiple countries?

Going with the Typhoon would be the biggest blunder primarily due to it's relatively higher cost of procurement and aftersales support combined with the headache of dealing with UK, Germany, Italy & Spain for spares, maintenance and logistics.

Trade commitments I guess, the Typhoon will not be for long, it's just a stop gap fighter until the Eagles or Rafale are fully delivered and operational.

 

[Zapper]

Trade commitments I guess, the Typhoon will not be for long, it's just a stop gap fighter until the Eagles or Rafale are fully delivered and operational.

I don't think the consortium could deliver Typhoons any sooner than Dassault or Boeing unless you're getting used Typhoons from their existing inventory. Also, maintenance of Typhoons is ridiculously expensive and it would make more sense going for additional Typhoons instead of Rafales or Eagles to get the benefit of volume if your first lot happens to be Typhoons. Also, training your pilots and ground crew on multiple aircrafts, the entire logistical nightmare would bring down availability rates.

 

[Nilgiri]

Trade commitments I guess, the Typhoon will not be for long, it's just a stop gap fighter until the Eagles or Rafale are fully delivered and operational.

Well it all balances out in trade (and investment)....even if you have surplus with US and Europe etc, it is balanced by deficits with other countries (that help their surplus pressure to buy more from US and Europe in their case)....as USD does not experience huge conversion rate in forex (it is either re-circulated or face distortion by massive policy-driven accumulation, latter is definitely not Indonesia)

Indonesia total exports (goods + services) is like 227 billion USD, its total imports are 215 billion USD. Effectively Indonesia is paying its way and dues fine.

Indonesia should not be compelled by trade surplus with whomever to import military items or any items to make up specific differences....given interconnection in world market here.

Where there is non-market policy in place adding a big distortion (eg. one countries 3 trillion USD reserve) then THAT is the issue, and that is for the large economies to address jointly.

 

[Umigami]

Trade commitments I guess, the Typhoon will not be for long, it's just a stop gap fighter until the Eagles or Rafale are fully delivered and operational.

I don't understand. How long waiting time for F15 or Rafale anyway?
If we can secure the contract this month or January I think They'll come by early 2024. Stopgap just for 3 to 5 years?

 

[Nilgiri]

I think this thread is a good a thread as any to bring up fiscal matter for all these programs (airforce being the most visible, but also navy and army have big ticket plans I have seen).

Up to about 2018 - 2019, the Indonesian military budget was around 7 - 8 billion dollar level (by SIPRI standardisation basis) per year.

Now it has increased in 2020 - 2021 to around 9 billion dollars per year:

Indonesia announces strong increase in 2021 defence budget

Indonesia has announced a strong increase in its annual defence budget despite rising economic challenges related to Covid-19. The government has indicated that the...

www.janes.com

What do people see as the budget (or I guess budget ramp) thats needed for this large airforce, C4I, navy etc expansion this decade?

Will Indonesia for example quickly push it to 2% of GDP level spending?