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[Oublious]

 

[Strong AI]

I think that TurAF will order KEs with TEI engines and Baykar will use their own engines for export version of KE. So the Airframe will be suitable for both versions.

 

[Zafer]

Countries want to have more than just one engine developer. USA deliberately picks two engine makers for planes like the F16. Competition is always good when the competitors are willing to compete. And it is fantastic to have a competitor who wants to compete.

 

[somegoodusername]

USA deliberately picks two engine makers for planes like the F16.

US is a 25 trillion dollar economy, while Turkey barely has enough capital, academic, and educated personnel resources to sustain TEI for it's projects. If you split those resources between two companies, you won’t end up with two TEIs, but more likely something like the Kaveri engine projects. France only has Safran, UK only has Rolls-Royce, Ukraine only has Motor Sich. Only industrial giants like US and China, and former Soviet Union, Russia has more one military jet engine producers.

When TOGG was founded they drained many experienced personnel from companies such as ASELSAN. In some projects, whole project team left ASELSAN for TOGG. That caused slow-downs and setbacks in many defence projects. Turkish people doesn't like speaking with limitations, government propaganda doesn't help on this. If Black Sea Shield plans to compete with TEI, it will have effects.

 

[Zafer]

US is a 25 trillion dollar economy, while Turkey barely has enough capital, academic, and educated personnel resources to sustain TEI for it's projects. If you split those resources between two companies, you won’t end up with two TEIs, but more likely something like the Kaveri engine projects. France only has Safran, UK only has Rolls-Royce, Ukraine only has Motor Sich. Only industrial giants like US and China, and former Soviet Union, Russia has more one military jet engine producers.

When TOGG was founded they drained many experienced personnel from companies such as ASELSAN. That caused slow-downs and setbacks in many defence projects. Turkish people doesn't like speaking with limitations, government propaganda doesn't help on this. If Black Sea Shield plans to compete with TEI, it will have effects.

We already have a minimum of two engine makers. The second one being Kale, and they are already planning to make small jet and turbofan engines for business jets. Do you guys have objection to that. I haven't heard any. Companies want to make engines spending from their own pockets. More and more people get experience experimenting on these engines. This is a very good thing. TEI is a foreign partnership and we haven't shaken the foreign partner off like we did with TAI. That means we only have half a company with TEI. We also have TR-Motor and smaller companies like Idealab and probably other future companies as Turkish youth even make and race engines at competitions. These all fortunate developments to be happy with.

 

[Iskander]

Kızılelma is going into mass production! Historical step from Baykar
The production prototype of the unmanned warplane Kızılelma successfully completed its first flight yesterday. Kızılelma is expected to go into mass production this year.

Kızılelma seri üretime geçiyor! Baykar'dan tarihi adım

Haber 7 - İnsansız savaş uçağı Kızılelma’nın üretim prototipi dün ilk uçuşunu başarıyla gerçekleştirdi. Gelişmeyi Baykar Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Selçuk Bayraktar sosyal medya hesabından duyurdu. Kızılelma’nın bu yıl seri üretime başlaması bekleniyor.

www.haber7.com

 

[somegoodusername]

Kızılelma is going into mass production!

Damn, I was expecting to see a low-observable-oriented prototype for radar testing. While it's general shape does help reduce its radar signature, the body construction is quite rough compared to the Kaan and F-35, for example. Modern radars can pick up the radar returns from that panel gaps and bulky-ish screws.

Also Toygun EOTS, MURAD radar isn't ready yet. Will it use the T-Link? Can you mass produce a plane without avionics it will use on it?

 

[Osman]

There is an interesting rush regarding Kızılelma. I have a feeling that Ukraine will receive those and use them

 

[fushkee]

What about RAM painting? Any news?
Without RAM, low observatory will not be at the level to be demanded.

 

[Zafer]

If exports to Ukraine is in question hi-specs of Kızılelma can be delayed until large number procurement by TurAF comes up as Ukraine needs whatever is available. Also Ukraine models can be provided without Türkiye specific requirements. Same specs may apply for exports to other countries than Ukraine as well.

 

[Strong AI]

Kızılelma is going into mass production! Historical step from Baykar
The production prototype of the unmanned warplane Kızılelma successfully completed its first flight yesterday. Kızılelma is expected to go into mass production this year.

Selcuk Bayraktar:
The tests of the production prototype of KIZILELMA will be completed and mass production will begin this year as planned.

Bayraktar: KIZILELMA'nın 1-2 ay içinde üretim prototipleri ve versiyonunu uçurmaya başlayacağız

Baykar Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı ve Teknoloji Lideri Bayraktar, "KIZIELMA, tüm dünyada havacılıkta gittiği yeri temsil ediyor. Yaklaşık 1-2 ay içinde üretim prototipleri ve versiyonunu uçurmaya başlayacağız. Bu yıl 3 adet KIZILELMA'yı üretmiş olacağız ve önümüzdeki yıllarda da daha yüksek adet seri...

www.trthaber.com

Did you read what you posted? The article is from 21.05.2024
And i think some members here did not read it too.

 

[Iskander]

Did you read what you posted? The article is from 21.05.2024
And i think some members here did not read it too.

Oh, I was wrong.
I quoted the wrong article. Already changed it.
Thank you!

 

[Strong AI]

Oh, I was wrong.
I quoted the wrong article. Already changed it.
Thank you!

Your post is still misleading.
This is what Selcuk Bayraktar says:

"The third prototype of the Bayraktar KIZILELMA, which is the production prototype, successfully completed its first flight today. It was a short test flight. Our tests will continue from here. May it be beneficial and auspicious for our homeland and nation."

The rest is only what the writer of the article says.

 

[Ştutgart]

WHAT KIND OF PLANE IS THIS?

 

[somegoodusername]

What about RAM painting? Any news?
Without RAM, low observatory will not be at the level to be demanded.

RAM isn't the most important thing for stealth. Shape of the aircraft is the most important thing, then the construction quality of the body, then the RAM coating.

 

[BaburKhan]

https://turdef.com/article/adex-2024-aselsan-shows-antidot-ew-pod-family-for-uavs

 

[YeşilVatan]

https://turdef.com/article/adex-2024-aselsan-shows-antidot-ew-pod-family-for-uavs

"...the larger pod ... will perform closer to EW pods used on fighter aircraft."

Big if true.

 

[boredaf]

What about RAM painting? Any news?
Without RAM, low observatory will not be at the level to be demanded.

RAM isn't the most important thing for stealth. Shape of the aircraft is the most important thing, then the construction quality of the body, then the RAM coating.

And Aselsan already has RAM paint and other products that can help with RCS.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/RADAR_SIGNATURE_MANAGEMENT_APPLICATIONS_ENG.pdf

They were also a part of a NATO workshop (or something like that) on radar absorbing materials where they showcased their paint, I used to have the link for that but I can't find it now. So, at least we are more than likely covered in that area.