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[somegoodusername]

[...] Haluk Bayraktar adds: “Last year, Baykar decided to invest in engines. We will invest $300 million into engine production within the next five years. Within four years, we will be building Bayraktar KIZILELMA’s engine." [...]

Will they drain engineers from TEI to advance their project? The TF-6000 is a highly advanced engine incorporating the latest technologies, including very hard to develop components like single-crystal turbine blades. What they are doing is no small job. They have decades of experience in the field. Was working with universities for years in order to develop latest technologies out there. I don't appreciate scorning the against TEI. They are doing phenomenal job compared to other engine developers globally.

I’m not sure Turkey has the human resource capacity for two firms operating in the same field. France, UK, and many other large industrial countries don't have two engine manufacturers. Unless Baykar aiming for something less advanced, perhaps relying on tech transfer and licensed production of Ukrainian engines.

 

[uçuyorum]

Will they drain engineers from TEI to advance their project? The TF-6000 is a highly advanced engine incorporating the latest technologies, including very hard to develop components like single-crystal turbine blades. What they are doing is no small job. They have decades of experience in the field. Was working with universities for years in order to develop latest technologies out there. I don't appreciate scorning the against TEI. They are doing phenomenal job compared to other engine developers globally.

I’m not sure Turkey has the human resource capacity for two firms operating in the same field. France, UK, and many other large industrial countries don't have two engine manufacturers. Unless Baykar aiming for something less advanced, perhaps relying on tech transfer and licensed production of Ukrainian engines.

It's most likely a modified version of Al 322

 

[uçuyorum]

I've heard of this as a theory too and it's the most credible one. With baykar and Ukraine 's good relations and the impossibility of making an engine this size from scratch in 4 years. Plus the investment being frankly a pathetic amount for a turbofan r&d from nothing.

Still though, what a waste. You have a clean sheet, modern design on the one end and some soviet leftover on the other. Sure they can modify it or whatever but tf6000 most probably has a lot more room to grow while baykar will be limited by soviet tooling and fundamentals.

I refuse to believe intranational politics being the reason for refusing TEI (if baykar truly fears a changing government they have a lot more issues than just not getting engines from tei lol) but if so, man that's shit.

It's still such a waste of manpower and a waste of KE's potential.

I hear good things about the people they have and the speed with which they are progressing

 

[Oublious]

 

[Zafer]

Countries want to have more than just one engine developer. USA deliberately picks two engine makers for planes like the F16. Competition is always good when the competitors are willing to compete. And it is fantastic to have a competitor who wants to compete.

 

[somegoodusername]

USA deliberately picks two engine makers for planes like the F16.

US is a 25 trillion dollar economy, while Turkey barely has enough capital, academic, and educated personnel resources to sustain TEI for it's projects. If you split those resources between two companies, you won’t end up with two TEIs, but more likely something like the Kaveri engine projects. France only has Safran, UK only has Rolls-Royce, Ukraine only has Motor Sich. Only industrial giants like US and China, and former Soviet Union, Russia has more one military jet engine producers.

When TOGG was founded they drained many experienced personnel from companies such as ASELSAN. In some projects, whole project team left ASELSAN for TOGG. That caused slow-downs and setbacks in many defence projects. Turkish people doesn't like speaking with limitations, government propaganda doesn't help on this. If Black Sea Shield plans to compete with TEI, it will have effects.

 

[Zafer]

US is a 25 trillion dollar economy, while Turkey barely has enough capital, academic, and educated personnel resources to sustain TEI for it's projects. If you split those resources between two companies, you won’t end up with two TEIs, but more likely something like the Kaveri engine projects. France only has Safran, UK only has Rolls-Royce, Ukraine only has Motor Sich. Only industrial giants like US and China, and former Soviet Union, Russia has more one military jet engine producers.

When TOGG was founded they drained many experienced personnel from companies such as ASELSAN. That caused slow-downs and setbacks in many defence projects. Turkish people doesn't like speaking with limitations, government propaganda doesn't help on this. If Black Sea Shield plans to compete with TEI, it will have effects.

We already have a minimum of two engine makers. The second one being Kale, and they are already planning to make small jet and turbofan engines for business jets. Do you guys have objection to that. I haven't heard any. Companies want to make engines spending from their own pockets. More and more people get experience experimenting on these engines. This is a very good thing. TEI is a foreign partnership and we haven't shaken the foreign partner off like we did with TAI. That means we only have half a company with TEI. We also have TR-Motor and smaller companies like Idealab and probably other future companies as Turkish youth even make and race engines at competitions. These all fortunate developments to be happy with.

 

[Iskander]

Kızılelma is going into mass production! Historical step from Baykar
The production prototype of the unmanned warplane Kızılelma successfully completed its first flight yesterday. Kızılelma is expected to go into mass production this year.

Kızılelma seri üretime geçiyor! Baykar'dan tarihi adım

Haber 7 - İnsansız savaş uçağı Kızılelma’nın üretim prototipi dün ilk uçuşunu başarıyla gerçekleştirdi. Gelişmeyi Baykar Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Selçuk Bayraktar sosyal medya hesabından duyurdu. Kızılelma’nın bu yıl seri üretime başlaması bekleniyor.

www.haber7.com

 

[somegoodusername]

Kızılelma is going into mass production!

Damn, I was expecting to see a low-observable-oriented prototype for radar testing. While it's general shape does help reduce its radar signature, the body construction is quite rough compared to the Kaan and F-35, for example. Modern radars can pick up the radar returns from that panel gaps and bulky-ish screws.

Also Toygun EOTS, MURAD radar isn't ready yet. Will it use the T-Link? Can you mass produce a plane without avionics it will use on it?

 

[Osman]

There is an interesting rush regarding Kızılelma. I have a feeling that Ukraine will receive those and use them

 

[fushkee]

What about RAM painting? Any news?
Without RAM, low observatory will not be at the level to be demanded.

 

[Zafer]

If exports to Ukraine is in question hi-specs of Kızılelma can be delayed until large number procurement by TurAF comes up as Ukraine needs whatever is available. Also Ukraine models can be provided without Türkiye specific requirements. Same specs may apply for exports to other countries than Ukraine as well.

 

[Iskander]

Did you read what you posted? The article is from 21.05.2024
And i think some members here did not read it too.

Oh, I was wrong.
I quoted the wrong article. Already changed it.
Thank you!

 

[Ştutgart]

WHAT KIND OF PLANE IS THIS?

 

[somegoodusername]

What about RAM painting? Any news?
Without RAM, low observatory will not be at the level to be demanded.

RAM isn't the most important thing for stealth. Shape of the aircraft is the most important thing, then the construction quality of the body, then the RAM coating.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

ADEX 2024: ASELSAN Shows ANTIDOT EW Pod Family for UAVs | TURDEF

ASELSAN displayed its ANTIDOT family of electronic warfare pods for various classes of UAVs/UCAVs during ADEX 2024.

turdef.com

 

[YeşilVatan]

ADEX 2024: ASELSAN Shows ANTIDOT EW Pod Family for UAVs | TURDEF

ASELSAN displayed its ANTIDOT family of electronic warfare pods for various classes of UAVs/UCAVs during ADEX 2024.

turdef.com

"...the larger pod ... will perform closer to EW pods used on fighter aircraft."

Big if true.

 

[boredaf]

What about RAM painting? Any news?
Without RAM, low observatory will not be at the level to be demanded.

RAM isn't the most important thing for stealth. Shape of the aircraft is the most important thing, then the construction quality of the body, then the RAM coating.

And Aselsan already has RAM paint and other products that can help with RCS.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/RADAR_SIGNATURE_MANAGEMENT_APPLICATIONS_ENG.pdf

They were also a part of a NATO workshop (or something like that) on radar absorbing materials where they showcased their paint, I used to have the link for that but I can't find it now. So, at least we are more than likely covered in that area.

Edit: Finally found it, fucking hell I was beginning to think I hallucinated it.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/ASELSANabulten55-(1).pdf

Page 32 and 33.

 

[Quasar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841113930690629816

 

[Oublious]

They are going to test second ANKA 3 prototype for weapon intregation and will use it IWB. If ecerything goes well firsr delivery will be done in 2026.