TR Defence Exports & Updates

[dBSPL]

ASSAN continues to do great things. They have started to play a role in a very important production area for Azerbaijan, and perhaps in the near future for the African and Central Asian Turkic states to become more independent from Russian military logistics.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851680285743812752

ASSAN is now capable of producing seven different versions of FAB and OFAB munitions. There is a growing foreign demand in this regard. As is known, Aselsan recently adapted the LGK guidance kit to FAB bombs for the Azerbaijan Air Force.

 

[Okaber]

Azerbaijan is buying MK series bomb from ASSAN tho if I remember correctly.

ASSAN will also open a production like for MK bombs in Azerbaijan next year.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851430574248054970

Rule of thumb;

When exporting military equipment, also keep in mind who the customer is heavily influenced by (here is Israel) and take measures on how they might fund people or government officials to sh#t - talk on your products.

The statement has zero credibility to me, looks so schemed and funded opinion or leaked through some other funded army personnel.

They better get AH-64 equipped with Israeli equipment at twice the price of casual AH-64s and then pay extra for every nut and bolts and wait for months for maintanence guys to arrive since they will also charge for training on maintenance or likely not allow it to happen.

 

[somegoodusername]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851430574248054970

Rule of thumb;

When exporting military equipment, also keep in mind who the customer is heavily influenced by (here is Israel) and take measures on how they might fund people or government officials to sh#t - talk on your products.

The statement has zero credibility to me, looks so schemed and funded opinion or leaked through some other funded army personnel.

They better get AH-64 equipped with Israeli equipment at twice the price of casual AH-64s and then pay extra for every nut and bolts and wait for months for maintanence guys to arrive since they will also charge for training on maintenance or likely not allow it to happen.

Why do all these "defense analysts" from South Asian and Southeast Asian countries talk as if they have the funds to buy Kaan or even the capability to operate it in the first place? Kaan is going to be expensive and a heavy burden even for most European NATO countries. Kaan's only export market in Asia is maybe Pakistan, and that is for low numbers. Those Malaysians, Philippines, Indonesians that think they can buy and fly the Kaan are delusional. Just buy affordable Rafales F-16's of KF-21's.

 

[Afif]

A twin engine Euro-canard cost an absurd amount ($200-230 millions) each with full package. I don't think KAAN will exceed that. As for its purchase, it would depend on specific country's bilateral relation with Türkiye.

Pakistan already opted for J-31/35. Even that would also be on a fat LoC provided by PRC. Just like J10C purchase. I simply don't think, even with their military first policy they can realistically afford two twin engine 5th gen platform.

 

[Anmdt]

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Why do all these "defense analysts" from South Asian and Southeast Asian countries talk as if they have the funds to buy Kaan or even the capability to operate it in the first place? Kaan is going to be expensive and a heavy burden even for most European NATO countries. Kaan's only export market in Asia is maybe Pakistan, and that is for low numbers. Those Malaysians, Philippines, Indonesians that think they can buy and fly the Kaan are delusional. Just buy affordable Rafales F-16's of KF-21's.

I don't think Kaan was offered at first place.

 

[Radonsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851430574248054970

Rule of thumb;

When exporting military equipment, also keep in mind who the customer is heavily influenced by (here is Israel) and take measures on how they might fund people or government officials to sh#t - talk on your products.

The statement has zero credibility to me, looks so schemed and funded opinion or leaked through some other funded army personnel.

They better get AH-64 equipped with Israeli equipment at twice the price of casual AH-64s and then pay extra for every nut and bolts and wait for months for maintanence guys to arrive since they will also charge for training on maintenance or likely not allow it to happen.

Yet didn't both NAF and PAF order a second batch of T-129s?

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851430574248054970

Rule of thumb;

When exporting military equipment, also keep in mind who the customer is heavily influenced by (here is Israel) and take measures on how they might fund people or government officials to sh#t - talk on your products.

The statement has zero credibility to me, looks so schemed and funded opinion or leaked through some other funded army personnel.

They better get AH-64 equipped with Israeli equipment at twice the price of casual AH-64s and then pay extra for every nut and bolts and wait for months for maintanence guys to arrive since they will also charge for training on maintenance or likely not allow it to happen.

They are broke and have no money for AH-64 especially not the ones their Israeli funders would force them to get, as you mentioned.
And if they did manage to get some it would 2 choppers. What a force to be reckoned with.

I think with things like this TAI needs to take a harder stance behind closed doors. Things like this need to come with consequences Philippines is a small market, if they are so fond of overpriced Israeli tech and their “fundin” they can easily get unofficialy get blacklisted from purchasing Turkish arms unless they control their “experts” better

 

[Khagan1923]

Yet didn't both NAF and PAF order a second batch of T-129s?

Yes last week there was a report mentioning both wanting to put in follow up orders.
This is most likely someone, as @Anmdt mentioned, being funded by israelis trying to smear dirt on Turkish products. His mentioning of Kaan when the Phillipines aren't even able to afford anything better than the FA-50 just reinforces this.

But then again this is something our officials need to put pressure on on countries likes this. One email to this “expert” and he will drop is smearing in a second.

 

[chibiyabi]

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Why do all these "defense analysts" from South Asian and Southeast Asian countries talk as if they have the funds to buy Kaan or even the capability to operate it in the first place? Kaan is going to be expensive and a heavy burden even for most European NATO countries. Kaan's only export market in Asia is maybe Pakistan, and that is for low numbers. Those Malaysians, Philippines, Indonesians that think they can buy and fly the Kaan are delusional. Just buy affordable Rafales F-16's of KF-21's.

how come you think, broke country like pakistan can buy Kaan rather than us Indonesia, country with 1,3 Trilion US Dollars GDP ?

 

[Saithan]

I remember a Filipino member either here or on that other place once said that Max was not a reliable source as he was biased and were highly influenced by his "western" connections of sorts.

Seeing the comment about TAI, my first thought is/was I bloody fucking hope they have fully manned office in Philippines with perfect english and technical knowhow to after-sale-support our customer.

And that is still what I think is important.

Having an office for after-sale-support properly staffed would be first step on proving it's just attempt to slander. Secondly proper press coverage, even if it is your own fucking media to overall sum up the content of the meeting, and saying "everything went amicable, and perfect" even if people agreed to go back and talk with the back office ppl.

 

[Saithan]

how come you think, broke country like pakistan can buy Kaan rather than us Indonesia, country with 1,3 Trilion US Dollars GDP ?

I think he was just using Pakistan as an example.

 

[Sanchez]

Yet didn't both NAF and PAF order a second batch of T-129s?

It was reported that Nigerians are close to ordering a second batch with official talks ongoing and it was expected that Filipinos would as well, but nothing concrete on that.

 

[Anmdt]

It was reported that Nigerians are close to ordering a second batch with official talks ongoing and it was expected that Filipinos would as well, but nothing concrete on that.

As far as i know there are financial challenges at the both end. But it is not necessary to elaborate on this.

Seeing the comment about TAI, my first thought is/was I bloody fucking hope they have fully manned office in Philippines with perfect english and technical knowhow to after-sale-support our customer.

For this, they should have assigned ILS to TAI at a cost. Yet even without an ILS agreement TAI does it well. Yes it is not an Apache or Cobra which have been produced in thousands but T129 has been produced en masse and each of them in TAF inventory used rigorously, thus i don't think TAI has any issues with after-sales support in terms of logistics and maintenance.

 

[Strong AI]

ASELSAN and UAV manufacturers have signed sales contracts with a total amount of 10.3 Million USD regarding the export of electro-optical payloads for the end use of some countries in Asia-Pacific and Africa.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851913936313987448

 

[Khagan1923]

ASELSAN and UAV manufacturers have signed sales contracts with a total amount of 10.3 Million USD regarding the export of electro-optical payloads for the end use of some countries in Asia-Pacific and Africa.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851913936313987448

This might be with TAI for the Ankas purchased by Malaysia.

Africa ? Interesting have these been rumours about new sales to African countries in the past weeks?

 

[somegoodusername]

A twin engine Euro-canard cost an absurd amount ($200-230 millions) each with full package. I don't think KAAN will exceed that. As for its purchase, it would depend on specific country's bilateral relation with Türkiye.

Pakistan already opted for J-31/35. Even that would also be on a fat LoC provided by PRC. Just like J10C purchase. I simply don't think, even with their military first policy they can realistically afford two twin engine 5th gen platform.

You have to adjust so many elements in these deals to determine the base price of a single plane. These packages include numerous additional components. For example, while the F-35’s price is often cited at $80 million, Australia paid $192 million per plane in its procurement deal. And those are just procurement costs—some studies suggest that each F-35 will have a lifecycle cost of around $270 million. That doesn't even include secondary expenses. For instance, do any countries in South or Southeast Asia even have suitable airbases for operating a 5th-generation aircraft?

 

[Afif]

You have to adjust so many elements in these deals to determine the base price of a single plane. These packages include numerous additional components. For example, while the F-35’s price is often cited at $80 million, Australia paid $192 million per plane in its procurement deal. And those are just procurement costs—some studies suggest that each F-35 will have a lifecycle cost of around $270 million. That doesn't even include secondary expenses. For instance, do any countries in South or Southeast Asia even have suitable airbases for operating a 5th-generation aircraft?

What is a suitable airbase for operating 5th gen fighter?

 

[wolveray1]

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Why do all these "defense analysts" from South Asian and Southeast Asian countries talk as if they have the funds to buy Kaan or even the capability to operate it in the first place? Kaan is going to be expensive and a heavy burden even for most European NATO countries. Kaan's only export market in Asia is maybe Pakistan, and that is for low numbers. Those Malaysians, Philippines, Indonesians that think they can buy and fly the Kaan are delusional. Just buy affordable Rafales F-16's of KF-21's.

Do you think we can't afford it.
Unfortunately,most Malaysian will rather spend more money on the country and welfare instead on defense.
The country leaders give such a low priority on defense that bordering on like treason.
Anyway we do can afford it if we want too after deducting big subsidies that cost tens of usd bilions we give to malaysian yearly.
Furthermore,Our gdp per capita is higher than Turkey.

 

[somegoodusername]

how come you think, broke country like pakistan can buy Kaan rather than us Indonesia, country with 1,3 Trilion US Dollars GDP ?

Neither of these countries has purchased any modern jets yet. Pakistan has only expressed an unofficial interest, primarily because of the serious threat it faces. They will likely end up buying between 24 and 48 Kaan aircraft, with the rest of their air force relying on Chinese jets. In contrast, Indonesia doesn’t face significant threats and can manage with KF-21s.