TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[boredaf]

After a decade, finally!

What I'm curious about is the range. UMTAS has a range of 8 km, it should be more than double that I think. MAM-L has 15 km range, and it is probably the most used munition on our drones right now. If L-Umtas has at least as much range as Mam-L it will be an amazing option for Anka and TB-2/3, as it would be far more effective against armoured targets and all of those drones can still carry several of them.

 

[Sanchez]

What I'm curious about is the range. UMTAS has a range of 8 km, it should be more than double that I think. MAM-L has 15 km range, and it is probably the most used munition on our drones right now. If L-Umtas has at least as much range as Mam-L it will be an amazing option for Anka and TB-2/3, as it would be far more effective against armoured targets and all of those drones can still carry several of them.

They use HEAT warheads for anti armor duties. Speed of the projectile is near meaningless for that kind of warhead. We've seen hundreds of footage over the years, if an AFV is hit by a MAM-L it's either dead or mission killed.

Using UMTAS on drones in place of MAM-L opens up possibilities for greater flight envelopes for munition firing, removes some of the altitude requirements to achieve the reported range and keeps the firing platform further away from the target, lowering risk of it being shot down. It being laser guided still limits the possible range, AF500's laser designator have what, 20km range? That'd be similar to MX-15Ds.

 

[Yasar_TR]

They use HEAT warheads for anti armor duties. Speed of the projectile is near meaningless for that kind of warhead. We've seen hundreds of footage over the years, if an AFV is hit by a MAM-L it's either dead or mission killed.

Using UMTAS on drones in place of MAM-L opens up possibilities for greater flight envelopes for munition firing, removes some of the altitude requirements to achieve the reported range and keeps the firing platform further away from the target, lowering risk of it being shot down. It being laser guided still limits the possible range, AF500's laser designator have what, 20km range? That'd be similar to MX-15Ds.

If you check Aselsan's site you will find the range finder and laser range of said Flir is 30 km.
The unfortunate thing is that these laser guided missiles will have to be launched from Anka S from under cloud flight. That places the platform within manpad range or short range AD systems.
8 km range of Lumtas can be doubled due to high altitude aerial launch. But to really use that advantage, SAR guided version is needed. There was a work to produce 2 different ER versions of this missile ; one with 16-20 km another with 32-50 km range. Like Spike NLOS.
By now we should be in a position to be testing these!

 

[Turkic]

We already have a news page from 2023. I remember when I first read this like yesterday.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.savunmasanayist.com/umtas-gm-en-tehlikeli-turk-tanksavar-fuzesi/&ved=2ahUKEwjmmdal_OiKAxXwSPEDHXf6IY8QFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3ZT4xSEWeknKKnXBYjgdJg

32+ kms when ground launched and 50+ kms when air launched for Umtas-GM Block-II according to savunmasanayist.com

(16+ and 20+ for Umtas-GM Block-I)

And if no problem occured, Block-I should be in inventory by now and Block-II should be getting ready for it according to the news page.

 

[Heartbang]

By now we should be in a position to be testing these!

We did. All the way back in 2023:

I always thought they put the project "back into the oven" since the prototype in the video fails to properly deploy its wings.

 

[Yasar_TR]

We did. All the way back in 2023:

I always thought they put the project "back into the oven" since the prototype in the video fails to properly deploy its wings.

Great! But this is only the quarter of the story.
We need to be testing the 32-50 km range missiles, and then for both of them we need to carry out air to ground tests from Atak-129, Seahawk, TB3, Akinci etc.

These missiles will be partly replacing the Penguin AShM in our inventory too. So these tests should be done sooner rather than later. (I guess Kuzgun range and CAKIR to a certain extent would do a better job as an AShM. But the ER versions of Lumtas will still give a good varied, economical scope of attack profile)

We seem to be doing these tests fairly quickly, then unfortunately, only years later do we see them actually entering the inventory. Either financial constraints or bureaucracy seem to be the hindrance. (Still waiting for SOM-C and SOM-J for moving sea targets)

F-16 Fires SOM-J while Aksungur, and Akıncı Wait Their Turn | TURDEF

The SOM-J 5th Generation ASuW Missile had its first live-fire test at the Sinop Firing Range with an F-16C aircraft from the 401st Test Fleet Command.

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