Live Conflict Syria Civil War

[Scott Summers]

You see, none of our so called allies or the arabs are interested in a problem free ME neighborhood for Türkiye. KSA, UAE etc. are interested in having the PKK in Northern Syria and cause trouble for Türkiye. The West is interested in the same thing.

They hide it all behind words, but at the end of the day Israel can kill 60k+ people and not face any sanctions while we can't clear our immediate neighborhood from terrorists.

We should have conducted the operation full scale while HTS was moving towards Damascus. As I said the cards in our hands will rot away because we were passive. yes passive.

Syria needs money to rebuild and that is the incentive our enemies need to make HTS postpone and slow down any action against the PKK, they will color it in flowery words but at the end of the day if you don't shape the iron while it's hot it'll become brittle.

We screwed this up by giving HTS time to establish itself, and by not making the decision for him and clean up, then Joulani could have asked us to slow down once we liberated 70% of the territory under PKK.

100% agree.

We should conducted the operation during Biden-time when HTS was marching towards Damascus. We would get away with it and would only stop when HTS asked for it, to show that HTS is independant. But till that time we could have 70% freed.

But now, we must rely on plan B: attack when the negotiations fell between HTS and SDF.

But our peace negotiations with PKK and Öcalan are only making a operation more complex. Erdogan is to much on the election thing, more than on the Syrian thing.

 

[Ryder]

100% agree.

We should conducted the operation during Biden-time when HTS was marching towards Damascus. We would get away with it and would only stop when HTS asked for it, to show that HTS is independant. But till that time we could have 70% freed.

But now, we must rely on plan B: attack when the negotiations fell between HTS and SDF.

But our peace negotiations with PKK and Öcalan are only making a operation more complex. Erdogan is to much on the election thing, more than on the Syrian thing.

Politicians care more about elections or votes than national security.

These politicians will sell their mothers for a vote.

They shamelessly claim defence industry successes as their own. Or the operations.

 

[TR_123456]

This is ridiculous assumption bro.

I am Arab myself and believe me everyone is on Turkey´s side in this SDF case and I mean everyone this is viewed as mutually annoying file that needs to be dealt with but we have to first give them a negotiation opportunity and if it fails we go in.

Turkey´s approval rating has sky rocketed in the arab world as of recent times and is viewed as trustworthy partner in peace.

Look who wants to buy Kaan and other turkish systems and weapons. The political landscape is not the same as in last decade

It is never about the people,its always about the Arab leaders.
Most of your leaders are suck ups and afraid of losing their power,they are afraid of the Turks waking you up to revolt against them.
The GCC countries are the worst.

So,the next time you see Turks talking bad about Arabs you need to know its about the leaders,not the people because the people dont have a say in the Arab world.

 

[Ahlatshah]

DOD drafting plans to withdraw all U.S. troops from Syria after recent Trump comments

Trump and officials close to him expressed interest in pulling all U.S. troops out of Syria, prompting the Pentagon to draw up plans for a full withdrawal in 30, 60 or 90 days.

www.nbcnews.com

Us is withdrawing their troops. If they really abandon this time which I think they will , PKK/YPG will have no choice to lay down their arms or they will be doomed.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of abandoned MiG-23 fighters of the Syrian Air Force has been published. After the change of power in Syria, Syrian MiG-23 fighters and Soviet-made Su-24 bombers were abandoned. Judging by the video, there is no security at the airbase, and bombs and other aircraft weapons were also abandoned. MiG-23 fighters were produced in the USSR from 1969 to 1985, Su-24 bombers from 1967 to 1993. The Russian Air Force currently uses modifications of the Su-24M2 and Su-24MR bombers.

 

[Ryder]

Footage of abandoned MiG-23 fighters of the Syrian Air Force has been published. After the change of power in Syria, Syrian MiG-23 fighters and Soviet-made Su-24 bombers were abandoned. Judging by the video, there is no security at the airbase, and bombs and other aircraft weapons were also abandoned. MiG-23 fighters were produced in the USSR from 1969 to 1985, Su-24 bombers from 1967 to 1993. The Russian Air Force currently uses modifications of the Su-24M2 and Su-24MR bombers.

@Mis_TR_Like can the Turkish airforce actually study these? It would be interesting to see. Despite these planes being outdated.

 

[Sanchez]

@Mis_TR_Like can the Turkish airforce actually study these? It would be interesting to see. Despite these planes being outdated.

HvKK have nothing to learn from 3rd generation Mig-23 and Su-24s. We already have access to very comprehensive NATO libraries and our share of shootdowns during the war. Foreign experts can be brought in to study feasibility of bringing them back to operational conditions.

 

[Saithan]

HvKK have nothing to learn from 3rd generation Mig-23 and Su-24s. We already have access to very comprehensive NATO libraries and our share of shootdowns during the war. Foreign experts can be brought in to study feasibility of bringing them back to operational conditions.

I think these have potential as long as proper maintenance are done on them, and the new Syria gets pilots trained. I know they're old and UAV are likely better, but it's still important for a nation to have a airforce.

Maybe Azerbaycan could help with some education one way or another if it doesn't irk Israel.

 

[Sanchez]

Maybe Azerbaycan could help with some education one way or another if it doesn't irk Israel.

I don't think Azerbaijanis used Floggers since the republic, but they had Su-24s until 2010s. Ukraine and Belarus could be other places to seek cooperation from.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

DOD drafting plans to withdraw all U.S. troops from Syria after recent Trump comments

Trump and officials close to him expressed interest in pulling all U.S. troops out of Syria, prompting the Pentagon to draw up plans for a full withdrawal in 30, 60 or 90 days.

www.nbcnews.com

Us is withdrawing their troops. If they really abandon this time which I think they will , PKK/YPG will have no choice to lay down their arms or they will be doomed.

Trump is like a big baby with a very short attention span.
Instead of studying a case, he picks people who in his mind are worthy and let them fill him in with whatever, then he bases his decisions on them after adding a little crazy to it.
Even when he makes decisions, he'll do the opposite the next day without any shame or hesitation.
Trump is not a president. He can't do that job. He thinks he's an emperor and that's how he operates. Seeing everybody as his subjects.
Canada, Greenland (Denmark), Panama, Mexico are just a start. He's going to turn on more allies.
We're in for a wild ride and a long 4 years.