TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Oublious]

Not sure of reliable it is, but Greek media is reporting that we're in talks with Croatia for the export of Corvettes.

Η τουρκική εξωτερική πολιτική των κορβετών και η χαμένη ευκαιρία του Πολεμικού Ναυτικού

Σε συζητήσεις με την Κροατία για την ναυπήγηση κορβετών, για λογαριασμό του Πολεμικού της Ναυτικού, βρίσκεται η Τουρκία, που πλέον φαίνεται να διαμορφώνει την

www.enikos.gr

I am afraid that might be true , we learn first time about the F16 deal from Greks.

 

[Sanchez]

Not sure of reliable it is, but Greek media is reporting that we're in talks with Croatia for the export of Corvettes.

Η τουρκική εξωτερική πολιτική των κορβετών και η χαμένη ευκαιρία του Πολεμικού Ναυτικού

Σε συζητήσεις με την Κροατία για την ναυπήγηση κορβετών, για λογαριασμό του Πολεμικού της Ναυτικού, βρίσκεται η Τουρκία, που πλέον φαίνεται να διαμορφώνει την

www.enikos.gr

"Diplomatic circles confirmed to enikos.gr the exploratory discussions between Croatia and Turkey for the construction of 2 to 3 ADA corvettes. The same sources reported that representatives of the manufacturing company “Savunma Teknolojileri Muhendislik ve Ticaret” (STM) recently met in Zagreb for meetings. The Turkish Embassy there is said to play a special role, which has already made exploratory contacts with the Croatian Minister of Defense. The discussions follow the visit of the Turkish Corvette Burgazada to Split last October.

...Turkey is said to maintain its lead with its main weapons, the lower cost (250 million per corvette instead of 300-500 million that the corresponding proposals from the competition cost) and faster delivery (they already have one that they would have given to the Ukrainians but could not due to the Montreux Convention)."

Unsure about this but an interesting claim. Piece is hardly anything to write home about, claiming Ada Class was started in 2015 and is based on Freedom Class LCS and that Turkey doesn't deliver Ivan Mazepa to Ukraine because of Montreux, instead of you know, the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Maybe the "European customer" we read about a month or two ago wasn't Romania.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897954694640632232

This is very critical. If Turkish companies, which can offer fast, efficient and quantity solutions to meet Europe's defense and security needs, are included in EU defense programs, this could pave the way for Turkiye to become a production hub and provide a very important plus factor for Europe in military capacity building and transformation.

This possible strategic cooperation will also be mutually beneficial for the EU to take concrete and swift action to strengthen its overall defense preparedness, reduce its strategic dependencies, and address critical capability gaps, as set out at the last summit. It is win-win. But at the same time, it is a situation that countries that compete(or dont want new player) with the Turkish industry instead of cooperating with it would never want. I think this issue is also a litmus test for the EU. The agenda of those who are strongly opposed to EU-TR defense cooperation is certainly not related to EU interests.

 

[what]

The Greeks and S. Cypriots will block us out of any procurement that is EU led or financed.
Otokar has a factory in Romania, Nurol in Hungary (?), Baykar soon in Italy. Thats our backdoor.

 

[Pokemonte13]

The Greeks and S. Cypriots will block us out of any procurement that is EU led or financed.
Otokar has a factory in Romania, Nurol in Hungary (?), Baykar soon in Italy. Thats our backdoor.

And UK

 

[Huelague]

The Greeks and S. Cypriots will block us out of any procurement that is EU led or financed.
Otokar has a factory in Romania, Nurol in Hungary (?), Baykar soon in Italy. Thats our backdoor.

Yes, but every single country has the right to choose his own weapons, doesn’t matter from whom.

 

[Khagan1923]

The Greeks and S. Cypriots will block us out of any procurement that is EU led or financed.
Otokar has a factory in Romania, Nurol in Hungary (?), Baykar soon in Italy. Thats our backdoor.

Did they not change that not that long ago? Because Hungary was blocking procurement for military hardware meant for Ukraine or something like that so they changed how the rules work?

Am I remembering wrong?

Also greece or south cyprus blocking procurement meant to arm Europe against Russia and to help Ukraine would blow back very hard on those two states, they are pretty much at the mercy of the EU. I would love to see that one play out honestly.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The Greeks and Cypriots have been encircled and Turkey already cooperating with Italy, Spain and Great Britain in bilateral trade and the arms industry.
The French and Germans will have to cooperate with Turkey sooner or later.
But then under our conditions, no more political sanctions, no more embargoes, and at least on an equal footing.
Turkey will continue to develop its own Weapon Systems and Subsystems because it doesn't trust anyone anyway - too much has happened in the past.

The EU needs armaments, Turkey can supply them through cooperation (joint venture) and production by its partners, and its own production facilities. Europe must cooperate, it does not want to isolate itself, like every country in the world it wants to have several options in the end.

 

[Fairon]

Yes, but every single country has the right to choose his own weapons, doesn’t matter from whom.

Yes if they want to use their own budgets. If they want to use EU funds(which most of the EU countries prefers) they are practically limited to EU countries for procurement.

 

[Sanchez]

Possible sale of up to 4 corvettes/frigates to Thailand. Nothing certain, we need a win for this year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1898320458547663263

 

[Khagan1923]

Possible sale of up to 4 corvettes/frigates to Thailand. Nothing certain, we need a win for this year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1898320458547663263

Does Thailand not own already several ships from China? They will probably go with them, would be surprised if we could land this deal.

Looked over their current naval inventory. It is either gonna be China or South Korea (they already own one frigate from South Korea). Would be very suprised if we can sell them 4 ships.

 

[Hannibal]

Turkish-made MİLGEM warships may enter the navies of European countries such as Ireland and Portugal.
Also corvettes and light frigates to the Bulgarian and Romanian navies.

-Kozan Selcuk Erkan/Al Monitor

 

[Huelague]

Turkish-made MİLGEM warships may enter the navies of European countries such as Ireland and Portugal.
Also corvettes and light frigates to the Bulgarian and Romanian navies.

-Kozan Selcuk Erkan/Al Monitor

Poland and some Eastern European countries (Baltics) could also be our customers.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Possible sale of up to 4 corvettes/frigates to Thailand. Nothing certain, we need a win for this year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1898320458547663263

Thailand Partners with ASFAT for New Frigate Acquisition | TURDEF

Thailand’s UDT partners with ASFAT to acquire four new frigates. The deal, which involves technology transfer, is part of RTN’s fleet modernisation plan.

turdef.com

“Possible sale“ may be turning in to definite.
According to above news, the cooperation document between ASFAT and Thai government has already been signed.

Thailand’s state-owned defence company United Defense Technology (UDT) has signed a partnership agreement with ASFAT A.Ş., a defence company affiliated with Turkiye’s Ministry of National Defence (MoD), to meet the Royal Thai Navy’s (RTN) requirement for four new frigates.

 

[Iskander]

SIPRI published a huge report! Türkiye's exports increased by 103%, we rose to 11th place...
SIPRI has published the global arms trade report for the period 2020-2024. The share of Turkish companies in global defense exports increased by 103% in 5 years. Turkey ranked 11th in arms exports worldwide.

According to the global arms transfer report of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), the international transfer volume of major weapons decreased by 0.6% in the period 2020-2024 compared to the period 2015-2019.

In the period 2020-2024, the USA, France, Russia, China and Germany were recorded as the five largest arms exporters.

While the Russia-Ukraine war significantly changed the global arms market, the share of US companies in global arms exports, which was 35% in the period 2015-2019, increased by 21% to 43% in the period 2020-2024.

Following the increasing security threats following the Russia-Ukraine war, many countries in Europe decided to increase their defense investments, while the share of French companies attracted attention by increasing from 8.6 percent to 9.6 percent and 11 percent.

The share of companies in global arms exports in Russia, which is at war with Ukraine, decreased from 21 percent to 7.8 percent, while the share of Chinese companies decreased from 6.2 percent to 5.9 percent.

THE SHARE OF GERMAN COMPANIES ALSO DECREASED FROM 5.7 PERCENT TO 5.6 PERCENT.

According to the SIPRI report, the share of Turkish companies in global arms exports, which was 0.8 percent in the 2015-2019 period, increased by 103 percent to 1.7 percent in the 2020-2024 period. Turkey ranked 11th in arms exports worldwide.

Turkey exported 18 percent of its weapons to the United Arab Emirates, 10 percent to Pakistan and 9.9 percent to Qatar in the 2020-2024 period.
Türkiye'S WEAPON IMPORTS DECREASED BY 33 PERCENT

With the increase in domestic and national solutions in Türkiye's defense industry, a large portion of the vehicles, ammunition and equipment previously procured from abroad began to be procured domestically.

According to the report, Turkey managed to reduce its weapons imports by 33 percent in the 2020-2024 period compared to the 2015-2019 period. Türkiye's weapons import share, which was 1.7 percent in the 2015-2019 period, decreased to 1.1 in the 2020-2024 period. The country ranked 22nd in weapons imports worldwide.

The countries that exported the most weapons to Türkiye were Spain with 34 percent, Italy with 24 percent and Germany with 19 percent (Türkiye media)


German view: Russia is the main outsider in the global arms market

SIPRI: Weapons trade booming worldwide, especially in Russia – DW – 12/02/2024

SIPRI's report highlights a booming global weapons trade, with earnings reaching $632 billion. Russia and the Middle East emerged as key players in 2023 growth.

www.dw.com

Russian view: Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov has been critical of SIPRI's calculation methodology for defense sector companies.

Аналитики SIPRI назвали крупнейших в мире экспортеров оружия

SIPRI проанализировал, как за последние пять лет изменились экспорт и импорт основных вооружений. Больше всего экспортируют США, импортирует — Украина. Подробнее — в материале РБК

www.rbc.ru

 

[boredaf]

Türkiye'S WEAPON IMPORTS DECREASED BY 33 PERCENT

This is the more important part if you ask me. It shows not only we are getting more independent but also getting more bang for our buck.

 

[Slayer]

There is still a unwarranted bias against Turkish arms producers. Especially from the Scandinavian countries. Denmark will never purchase anything military related from Turkiye. But if you can repackage it and put an Made In Italy label on it then voila...

 

[Ripley]

I believe Bias will always be there, no matter what.
France, however, still insists on refusing any non-EU arms suppliers involvement regarding the upgrade of European militaries. Like you pointed out, new joint company would bear European signature on it and it will give us access to Europe.

 

[TR_123456]

I believe Bias will always be there, no matter what.
France, however, still insists on refusing any non-EU arms suppliers involvement regarding the upgrade of European militaries. Like you pointed out, new joint company would bear European signature on it and it will give us access to Europe.

France wont have a choice,wait and see.

 

[Ripley]

France wont have a choice,wait and see.

Quantitatively European military is ‘inadequate‘ at best.
They will eventually will go for ready products. Turkish military output is NATO standard. So, in the end they will have to but I was was just trying to point out that historically French are known for their pure European ideal. They are stubborn, in particular, when it comes to defense projects.