TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Ahmad]

Turkish air force should consider J10 with PL15AA missiles or JF17 Block 3 as stop Gap solutions. In current India Pakistan conflict the world have seen some magic things happend. Aselson should speed up HAVASOJ program as Turkish electronic warfare technology has proven itself and is in elite class. If Pakistan can shoot Rafale fighter jet with J10 and PL15AA MISSILES then it proves that with best techniques technologyical superior platform like Rafale can be defeated.

AESA Seeker head give upper hand to PL15AA MISSILES against Rafale as it was difficult for the spectra electronic warfare suite to deceive it. Turkey should work on AESA Seeker head for AA missiles Gokhan. TURKEY should develop own AWACS system. The world have seen the largest dog fight among fighter jets in current India Pakistan conflict. Everyone in the world wants to study this dog fight among fighters jets from both countries.

 

[Strong AI]

Not gonna work. It is not going to be compatible. The reason PAF did well is because they have a system of systems in place notting together AWACS, jammers, Ground AD and figthers. This excellent level of integration allowed the formation of fighters in the sky to pull a very synchronized and complex BVR maneuvers that resulted in partial and temporary superiority against IAF. Not because of any single system. Although it also proved J10c and PL-15 to be a potent combo. But the main lesson is, a winning fight is an integrated fight.

This is the reason why i still think that it will be enough to have KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 on MUGEM, if we can manage to put an AWACS drone on MUGEM too. Although MUGEM will be accompanied by TF2000, its radar would be maybe not enough.
All turkish BVR missiles will have Datalink capability, so all you have to do is to bring your UCAVs in position to shoot and then turn them back to your AD coverage by TF2000. The fired missiles will be guided by Datalink after all.

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922248388445122821

20 T4 in 2027
20 T5 in 2028

2 T1 + 12 C-130J to be purchased from UK and probably delivered in 2025/2026

UK to donate 28 T1 free of charge (probably in 2025/2026)

 

[Saithan]

Bla bla bla, we'll see when the binding contracts have been signed, until then it's bla bla bla

 

[Samba]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922248388445122821

20 T4 in 2027
20 T5 in 2028

2 T1 + 12 C-130J to be purchased from UK and probably delivered in 2025/2026

UK to donate 28 T1 free of charge (probably in 2025/2026)

Big if true.

But like football player transfer news, I won't believe anything until it is signed.

 

[Sanchez]

This definitely wasn't in my bingo card. But nice to see wheels turning.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922730649472942377

WASHINGTON, May 14, 2025 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Republic of Türkiye of AIM-9X Sidewinder Block II missiles and related elements of logistics and program support for an estimated cost of $79.1 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Republic of Türkiye has requested to buy sixty (60) AIM-9X Sidewinder Block II All Up Round (AUR) missiles and eleven (11) AIM-9X Block II Tactical guidance units. The following non-MDE items will be included: missile containers and support equipment; spare parts, and missile support, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated total cost is $79.1 million.

This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security of the United States by improving the security of a NATO Ally that continues to be a force for political and economic stability in Europe.

https://www.dsca.mil/Congressional-Notification-Archive/Article/4186475/trkiye-aim-9x-sidewinder-block-ii-missiles

WASHINGTON, May 14, 2025 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Republic of Türkiye of AIM-120C-8 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles and related elements of logistics and program support for an estimated cost of $225 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Republic of Türkiye has requested to buy fifty-three (53) AIM-120C-8 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM); and six (6) AIM-120C-8 AMRAAM guidance sections. The following non-MDE items will be included: AMRAAM containers and support equipment; Common Munitions Built-in-Test (BIT) Reprogramming Equipment (CMBRE); spare parts, consumables and accessories, repair and return support; weapons system support and software; classified software delivery and support; classified publications and technical documentation; transportation support; studies and surveys; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated total cost is $225 million.

This proposed sale will support the foreign policy goals and national security of the United States by improving the security of a NATO Ally that continues to be a force for political and economic stability in Europe.

https://www.dsca.mil/Congressional-Notification-Archive/Article/4186456/trkiye-aim-120c-8-advanced-medium-range-air-to-air-missiles

 

[Oublious]

This definitely wasn't in my bingo card. But nice to see wheels turning.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922730649472942377

https://www.dsca.mil/Congressional-Notification-Archive/Article/4186475/trkiye-aim-9x-sidewinder-block-ii-missiles

https://www.dsca.mil/Congressional-Notification-Archive/Article/4186456/trkiye-aim-120c-8-advanced-medium-range-air-to-air-missiles

A little bit low, but i assume we are devloping it self.

 

[Strong AI]

Was this shared before?

F-16: Advancing the Future of Türkiye’s Air Defense

F-16 Türkiye

For over 70 years, Lockheed Martin has played a crucial role in strengthening Türkiye's defense and security capabilities through its aircraft, helicopters, and security solutions.

www.lockheedmartin.com

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Ryder]

I dont want hear this talk of a certain weapon system being trash blah blah.

They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Warfare is all about getting the edge on your enemies.

F35, F15, Su35, Su25, J10, Rafale and the Typhoon are not trash.

Its utter madness to call the F35 garbage.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I dont want hear this talk of a certain weapon system being trash blah blah.

They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Warfare is all about getting the edge on your enemies.

F35, F15, Su35, Su25, J10, Rafale and the Typhoon are not trash.

Its utter madness to call the F35 garbage.

The F-35 is definitely not garbage because of its capabilities, but it could be if it's sold as a dumbed-down version with operational limitations and conditions of deployment. It's not the plane itself that could be the problem, it's the strings attached to that potential purchase.

 

[Ryder]

The F-35 is definitely not garbage because of its capabilities, but it could be if it's sold as a dumbed-down version with operational limitations and conditions of deployment. It's not the plane itself that could be the problem, it's the strings attached to that potential purchase.

Indeed my statement is mainly about people who fanboy over something at the same time you have people because they cant get a system they start calling it trash doesnt mean its trash.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Indeed my statement is mainly about people who fanboy over something at the same time you have people because they cant get a system they start calling it trash doesnt mean its trash.

Yes, we tend to emulate The Fox and the Sour Grapes.

 

[Strong AI]

Ruler of the skies, steel wings!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1924014123286679772

 

[Sanchez]

Spain's second batch EF T4 deliveries under Halcon II for 25 aircraft will start in 2028, instead of the originally planned 2030. This follows the original Halcon I for 20 aircraft that will start next year.

Meanwhile, our possible order is still in the air.

Airbus entregará al Ejército del Aire los primeros nuevos cazas Eurofighter en 2026

La primera tanda de 20 aviones del programa Halcón 1 será para renovar la defensa aérea de Canarias

www.informacion.es

 

[Saithan]

It's likely because we'd rather tie the knot with US than allow EU to have another hold over us. Especially in defense sector after the fad with MTU engine

 

[Strong AI]

Spain's second batch EF T4 deliveries under Halcon II for 25 aircraft will start in 2028, instead of the originally planned 2030. This follows the original Halcon I for 20 aircraft that will start next year.

Meanwhile, our possible order is still in the air.

Airbus entregará al Ejército del Aire los primeros nuevos cazas Eurofighter en 2026

La primera tanda de 20 aviones del programa Halcón 1 será para renovar la defensa aérea de Canarias

www.informacion.es

The Brits are waiting for Türkiye's answer to their offer, right?
Is Türkiye waiting for Trump giving green light for F-35?
Can we call this a "Waitingception"? *waiting intensifies*

 

[Spitfire9]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1916031995173630305

Don't know if I should laugh or cry at this situation. A country nevent 1/10 of your size has a better procurement strategy than us.

We should be the ones running after C-390, A400M, CH-47 and MH-60R (or at least more S-70) yet regulary we hear from our officials how there is no interest and need for those crafts.

Not even gonna mention the mismanagement of the T-70 project.

Complete shithow.

Can't even complete the transaction for second-hand C-130 from the Brits.

But don't worry when the T-925 enters inventory in 2032 and our own logistic-lift plane project is announced and finished in 2040 everything will be fine until then we will iha siha 31 everything, right? In the meantime we can afford some more A8, S-Class and 7 series for our yandas.

Aren't you getting A400M? I believe that production share was linked to numbers ordered by the partners. Is that why Spain ordered more than it needed? Looks like a Hurjet/A400M deal benefits both parties, so I guess Turkiye will be getting some A400M.

 

[Spitfire9]

Just spending time for nothing while israel bombing syria non stop and there are news that aslo some turkish staff were bombed dur8ng those raids and Turkiye cant do nothing agaist tiny fake terror country israel , better to look at someone else and make our airforce the largest and modern in world . And stop licking US and EU assholes . The solution is to talk to China to buy more than 250 J35 steath fighter and build them in home with Turkish systems , and Aesa radars . Aslo modernise all 240 f16 in home . With around 500 fighter jets with AESA we can easy go in syria and protect ourselfs and allies . There arw no more humiliation than to get bombed by israel and do nothing . Since 10 years licking ZIONISM ass to buy some overrrated non steath aircrafts that will be controlled throw spare parts or Software from main producer in Eu or US .

Turkiye is developing KAAN with a Turkish engine. I think that is the 'solution'.

 

[Sanchez]

Aren't you getting A400M? I believe that production share was linked to numbers ordered by the partners. Is that why Spain ordered more than it needed? Looks like a Hurjet/A400M deal benefits both parties, so I guess Turkiye will be getting some A400M.

It's not yet clear if the future Hürjet deal includes Spanish slated A400s being delivered to Turkey instead. Some of the quoted project costs for Spanish project I saw do make me think a barter is in the works, but we don't know.