Live Conflict Pakistan-India Conflict (2025)

[Afif]

This is nothing new. The Pakistanis ran to Clinton to intervene in 1999. And now Trump. I am sure they are brave as all soldiers. But they seemed to confuse good tactics for good strategy.

It is not clear at this point if it was Modi or Pakistanis that ran to US.

 

[Agha Sher]

Interesting to see a pro-pak/turkish account post this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920967526550294812

Images from this airport shows no significant damage to infrastructure. No aircrafts were damaged.

 

[Agha Sher]

It is not clear at this point if it was Modi or Pakistanis that ran to US.

CNN stated india ran to the Americans

 

[Jackdaws]

CNN stated india ran to the Americans

Where ?

 

[Nilgiri]

Will show them or disclose losses at the end of operations. Military bosses have to give briefings to parliamentary committees on defence. Truth cannot be hidden in open democracies run by civilian govt.

It took an amount of time for the US and GW1 for same reason. A full debrief and analysis when all OPSEC and alert are fully over.

 

[Nilgiri]

NOTE: Still waiting for Maxar et al to show something on Indian AFB to back up Pakistan's claims.

Vishnu Som on his twitter page now has collection of the Maxar sat pics that have come out so far

(Bholari is where 5 PAF airmen died):

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922285915193352544

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922286386331222085

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922286662739976495

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922286112904462488

 

[Nilgiri]

Where ?

Shashi's take from about 12 minute mark:

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922172487518888185

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922178940900082076

 

[Nilgiri]

Tom Cooper says ~ 4 Indian aircraft probably brought down, but the end result is clear cut Indian victory given the damage on Pakistani military infra by ladder escalation to there (for first time by India)....along with the initial A2G payloads on terrorist targets (again for first time at this scale in 2 NWS context).

'Clear cut victory': Military historian says West misread the conflict, says India decimated Pakistani bases - BusinessToday

In a detailed blog post analyzing the recent India-Pakistan conflict, Austrian military historian Tom Cooper criticized Western media for what he called “PR efforts” that distorted the military reality on the ground.

www.businesstoday.in

Goes into some of the IAD, missiles and that its a matter of solutions (and scale), there is no such thing as a wonderweapon.

 

[Zapper]

Officially acknowledged casualties

5 Army, 2 Air Force & 2 BSF on our side

5 Air Force, 5 Army (1 SSG) & 1 Ranger on their side

 

[Zapper]

Images from this airport shows no significant damage to infrastructure. No aircrafts were damaged.

CNN stated india ran to the Americans

Backup your claims with evidence

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922274262468936168

 

[Bilge adam reis]

'Destroy the enemy in the sky': India confirms Pakistani Mirage shot down in Op Sindoor; see wreckage - BusinessToday

The Indian Army also displayed debris of Turkish-origin YIHA and Songar drones and fragments of a PL-15 air-to-air missile of Chinese origin, all recovered after Pakistan's failed attacks

www.businesstoday.in

 

[Bilge adam reis]

Tom Cooper says ~ 4 Indian aircraft probably brought down, but the end result is clear cut Indian victory given the damage on Pakistani military infra by ladder escalation to there (for first time by India)....along with the initial A2G payloads on terrorist targets (again for first time at this scale in 2 NWS context).

'Clear cut victory': Military historian says West misread the conflict, says India decimated Pakistani bases - BusinessToday

In a detailed blog post analyzing the recent India-Pakistan conflict, Austrian military historian Tom Cooper criticized Western media for what he called “PR efforts” that distorted the military reality on the ground.

www.businesstoday.in

Goes into some of the IAD, missiles and that its a matter of solutions (and scale), there is no such thing as a wonderweapon.

I love tom we have been talking a lot on facebook since 2017 but when it comes to this conflict he is kinda on pro Indian side, I doubt losing 4 modern jets is a clear victory for IAF, Congrats on downing a Mirage III tho.

 

[Nilgiri]

I love tom we have been talking a lot on facebook since 2017 but when it comes to this conflict he is kinda on pro Indian side, I doubt losing 4 modern jets is a clear victory for IAF, Congrats on downing a Mirage III tho.

No not clear victory for IAF. Cooper meant the bigger picture stuff (airforces, air defences, missiles and then whatever ground force etc were involved too....there was no real naval engagement this time)....in that India had a clear cut victory in what is demonstrated (basically hard infra destroyed one-way with little retaliation...especially between two nuclear-armed countries, its fairly unprecedented).

Since this involved lot of drone vs IAD and then some combination of brahmos/scalps etc (and the brahmos could have been both ALCM and regular ground-ground one too, its unclear still). The BDA one way is telling on this.

As for mirage 3, the media is saying a lot but its unclear, we have to wait for proper debrief.

When it says "Pakistani mirage" on the slide in IAF presser, it likely means the more general meaning of word "veil/illusion" rather than specifically claiming that debris in same slide is a mirage 3 or 5 etc.

We just have to wait and see.

In Gulf War 1 for example (which had a fairly specific end-date unlike the next one that went much longer as campaign), it took quite some time for proper debriefing etc. USAF had heavily invested into SEAD by this point too, and they still took some attrition from Iraqi SAMs. Then there was that F-18 shot down by a Mig 25 that took decades for them to find evidence for.

This one will be more clear cut as to IAF losses as its nowhere near a campaign duration....just 4 days etc....but still we have to give some time for debrief and then structured analysis of what went wrong and what went ok and what went right etc...whether for IAF or the other force structures involved with the missiles and IAD etc.

Then India has to bulk up and improve depending on this.

 

[Nurhak40]

Rafale was indeed lost, sorry to say but i see this conflict as a Pakistani victory as India also lost more planes.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Gessler et al, this is the blog post by Cooper I believe:

Illusions and Realities of ‘Cross-Border Incidents’, Part 2 (UPDATED)

(…continued from Part 1…)

xxtomcooperxx.substack.com

He did an interview on NDTV as well:

 

[Rajendra Chola]

Rafale was indeed lost, sorry to say but i see this conflict as a Pakistani victory as India also lost more planes.

A military campaign is decided by the objective and not decided by the loss of one type of particular jet.

Everyone are free to their opinion

 

[Zapper]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922287015862616484

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922287015862616484

detresfa calls this guy s**t-retort lmao.

Part of larger miasma known as OSH*T instead of OSINT.

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922464441876004897

@Afif compare and contrast it (this is ofc Pak presser claims, but lets assume its the real situation).... with my war sim on CBG (which was more detailed, but same kind of staging first to penetrate coastal sam etc later)